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hello everyone

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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wilsher host and i've been really

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looking forward to this show i've got a

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very busy guy

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on the show tonight he's got a lot going

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on and luckily he carved out some time

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for tonight's show and again i am

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grateful for that

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and uh i hope to ask a lot of really

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interesting questions i have a lot of

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them on my own

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i want to say i feel like i almost made

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a mistake last

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week when i said hey send your questions

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i got so many of them uh tons of

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questions came in through emails and i

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really do appreciate that

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if i can't get to your question uh

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going to ask questions that fit that's

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how i'll put it as i go along

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but if i can't get to the questions that

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you sent in

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then um it doesn't mean that your

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question was not good and you will have

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if you're watching live you'll have the

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last half hour where you can actually

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call in

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we're taking calls i expect the phones

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um this week we have uh charles lear our

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he's been pretty busy too working on his

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book it's almost done

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so i wrote an opinion piece and it kind

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guest this evening he's very involved

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and the topic

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um i don't know if you call it a blogger

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just an opinion and

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the title of it's the ufo world since

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uh us in the ufo field we're paying

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then it's been a different world so that

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opinion piece or blog whatever you want

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to call it is right on our website

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podcastufo.com

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check it out over there you can support

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the show for two dollars or more a month

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all that information is there we're on

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facebook and all that i didn't want to

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waste a lot of time

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talking tonight so i'm going to bring

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our guest right in and here he is

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welcome to the show lou hi martin thank

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you very much for having me and thank

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uh your listeners as well for uh for

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spending some time with us this evening

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yes and like i said boy did the

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questions ever come in

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so um i do get a lot of new people i'm

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me how i'm doing personally today

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um i'm usually it's that question i'm

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say a movement i think a lot of people

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something back and i believe in the

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1950s i may be wrong

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where there was a radar uh reflection of

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greater accomplishments and and let me

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physics you don't invent physics what

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extraterrestrial and you know for sure

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from seti but let's face it in the end

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everything that could be possibly

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clever innovative

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ways to to uh to to

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to live and perform in our environment

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every day we're learning something

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something revolutionary in the way of

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science

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that that's not necessarily the case

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space and to some degree is rather

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entanglement something is going on this

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this spooky action from a distance if

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where things are able to to communicate

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act upon other things where uh distance

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new physics to be discovered if you will

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um you know i i think that's

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short-sighted because one thing we've

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learned over and over again through time

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is that

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we haven't learned everything yet um and

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and what we are seeing is

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real whatever it is so therefore

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something or someone

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uh has uh has been able to master uh

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a particular part of physics that we we

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don't quite yet understand i mean that's

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that's that's evident when

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um the pyramid you must have heard i

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know you've heard of the pyramid video

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what it's called the pyramid video that

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was released

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and it's it's i think it's been

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thoroughly debunked as not

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not a purpose uh purposeful hoax in any

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way

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but the fact that the iris or um the

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camera lens itself

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is the cause for those pyramid shapes

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and things like that uh

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uh did did you i believe i heard you say

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when that first came out you you weren't

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aware of any

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you know debunking going on did you

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think that was uh i know the

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navy admitted it was a a real video but

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they didn't say

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anything about the objects yeah well

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uh first of all i i i i'm not a debunker

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um i

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prefer analysis debunking means you know

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trying to go out if you will and

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purposely prove something

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is a fraud or a fake um i i don't go

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into

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any situation with that in mind i go

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into a situation to try

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at least i try to be as open-minded as

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possible and and let the facts and data

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speak for itself and conduct analysis

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and if at the end of that

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of that analysis it turns out there's a

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very fair-minded rational explanation

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for something then that's usually what

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what

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i tend to go with in this particular

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case

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we don't know all the details yet it's

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it's very easy to to make a premature

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decision one way or the other that

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it's a if you will a bouquet effect or

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it's something else

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uh but we do know the fact that it is a

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a

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object from different perspectives

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yet we don't know what the audio is yet

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and we don't know what the radar data is

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yet and we don't know what the

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what the uh for example um

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you know a lot of these aircraft will

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will squawk they have transponders on

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there

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and and we don't know yet uh really any

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of those details so

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i i think it's tempting um to to to go

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down a path you know say oh that's

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that's clearly uh

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uh the an artifact of the lens because

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it's it's closing in a triangular

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aperture and that's what you're seeing

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and that may very well be the case but

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but i think we have to be cautious not

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to

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conclusion

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that it's some sort of uh alien or

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interdimensional

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uh triangular vehicle we just simply

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don't have enough data yet and i

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i do appreciate people's passion and

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enthusiasm

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i do appreciate uh their their wants and

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desires to figure it out because i'm in

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the same same boat

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but i also like to caution people you

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know try to avoid jumping to conclusions

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prematurely

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at the end of the day they may be

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absolutely correct but i

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i think i think there's more i think

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there's more that needs to be said

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uh and learned about uh about that

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particular incident so i

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i don't have a comment yet uh martin i i

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you know i think there's a lot of things

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it could be and uh i think i

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think we still need to have have more

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data on the table before we can start

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ruling things

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out i know that well i don't know for

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100 percent

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if this is the case or not but that

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might have been filmed through

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an iphone through a lens that's um and

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and you know i have it i don't

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have any of that information right in

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front of me but that's what

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that's what i recall in that particular

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case now you and i met in

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cherry hill uh during the mufon event

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and you and i talked

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for maybe 25 30 minutes something like

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that

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and i realized afterwards we never

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talked about ufos

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we talked about uh collecting civil war

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muskets and things like that and all

406
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kinds of things because that's kind of

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the field that i'm in

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so anyway it was really uh really nice

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talking to you

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now i gotta i'm gonna ask you a question

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and it's only because i hear it

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said a lot and and i do agree with one

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part of it

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and that is and i just wanted to answer

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from you you would make

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an excellent disinformation officer

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if you wanted to be one how many times

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all the time i mean i'd also make an

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excellent garbage man i'd make an

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excellent auto mechanic and make an

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excellent

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roofer and construction worker i mean

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yeah i mean i've i've had a lot of jobs

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in my life

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where i've learned certain skills and

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expertise you know

427
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but one thing for sure is you don't

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conduct this information on your own

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people

430
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okay there's something called

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intelligence oversight that's something

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called executive order one two triple

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three there's something called dod

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director 5240.1

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that expressly makes it illegal to use

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those type of tactics techniques and

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procedures

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against the american people there was a

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time in the 1960s we did that

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as an intelligence community as as a as

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a

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things we were spying on on student

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bodies and student unions for protests

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and

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shouldn't have been we shouldn't have

446
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been doing at the time and so

447
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laws were passed to make sure that

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doesn't happen and i will tell you

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there is a a rigorous body of lawyers

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at the department of defense and the

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intelligence community that are just

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waiting to sink their teeth into to

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someone like me if i were to be

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conducting disinformation

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uh efforts on on the american people um

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you know could i do it sure you could do

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it

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there's plenty of people in the ufo

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community

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right now that are conducting

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disinformation operations against

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against us uh but they're not former

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federal employees

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and for me um you know i i took that

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oath very seriously uh yeah they're in

466
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the world of counterintelligence there's

467
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a lot of what we call denial and

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deception

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and you conduct those activities against

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the enemy

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but you don't you don't use them against

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your own people you don't use them

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against your own family and your friends

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and your neighbors

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so uh you know i think personally that's

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it's repugnant

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to assume that anybody whose

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intelligence i think that is probably

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the greatest stereotype

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that one could paint anybody under uh

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you know you want to

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want to talk about a conversation about

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racism well

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you know don't look now but that's a

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form of racism you're putting me in a

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category and others

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who've served their nation honorably in

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a category of that word now the enemy

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because we have these skill sets and and

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somehow we're using them against the

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american people

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um you know my response to that is okay

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prove it

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okay yeah if that's what you think prove

495
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it and and by the way you better have

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the damn evidence

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because i know i know that i'm not doing

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it so if you think i am

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uh you know i sure hope you can prove it

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and you know obviously you hear my voice

501
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getting raised a little bit a little bit

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emotional

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because i i don't think people really

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understand first of all what is

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intelligence what is it actually

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and what is disinformation thirdly

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you know the cost of running a

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disinformation operation is very very

509
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expensive

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why would we do that against the

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american people especially a community

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that really doesn't have a whole lot of

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influence in in in

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national defense decisions it's been a

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very niche

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community for a very long time uh as as

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wonderful as it is it's not particularly

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influential when it comes to

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the national defense structure um

520
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you know why that's just silly why i

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mean

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waste money just to play joke on

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somebody i

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i don't get it yeah well um

525
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i wanted to address that because i've

526
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i've seen that in blogs and everything

527
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else and i just wanted you to

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you know set it straight and i

529
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appreciate it and martin i know it's not

530
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coming from you by the way so don't

531
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please don't take offense i'm

532
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in no way am i am i directing this

533
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frustration to you

534
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um it's just for me i don't think people

535
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understand that i'm a person too

536
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i'm an individual i'm a father you know

537
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i'm a husband i'm a taxpayer

538
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you know i try to perform my civic

539
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duties the best i can

540
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and and anytime someone comes up and

541
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says oh you guys you're

542
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once an intel person always an intel

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person or once a cia person always a cia

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person

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what the hell does that mean i mean do

546
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you even have they ever spent a moment

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in the day of the life of these people

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that are

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trying to protect this country no they

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spend most of their time in the mother's

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basement sitting there probably in their

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underwear looking at a computer

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and and not understanding what this is

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really about and it's it's offensive

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that people actually think that of of

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individuals

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well thank you for that um no i know

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you know as far as you you can't violate

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your your

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your security oath by any means i mean

561
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you have everything at ri

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you'd be risking everything pension and

563
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and

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possibly you know harsh um treatment as

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well

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but um i

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i don't know if you can answer this but

568
00:19:21,270 --> 00:19:18,799
do you think that you have seen

569
00:19:22,230 --> 00:19:21,280
evidence that if that evidence was

570
00:19:23,750 --> 00:19:22,240
leaked

571
00:19:25,510 --> 00:19:23,760
that it would change everything in the

572
00:19:27,270 --> 00:19:25,520
and as far as what people think about

573
00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,280
ufos

574
00:19:31,029 --> 00:19:29,679
i think it would change the conversation

575
00:19:32,549 --> 00:19:31,039
changing the way people think is

576
00:19:34,470 --> 00:19:32,559
something entirely different and

577
00:19:36,789 --> 00:19:34,480
this is something that i've i've learned

578
00:19:40,310 --> 00:19:36,799
uh through the course of many years

579
00:19:42,310 --> 00:19:40,320
of experience you can present somebody

580
00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:42,320
with absolute facts and at the end of

581
00:19:45,669 --> 00:19:43,919
the day you're not going to change their

582
00:19:47,590 --> 00:19:45,679
mind necessarily

583
00:19:48,710 --> 00:19:47,600
this is a gradual conversation and this

584
00:19:50,789 --> 00:19:48,720
is one of the reasons why i said

585
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,799
disclosure is a process

586
00:19:55,270 --> 00:19:53,520
and and not an event you don't just

587
00:19:56,870 --> 00:19:55,280
present somebody information and say oh

588
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:56,880
aha okay i'm going to change my entire

589
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:58,320
paradigm of thinking

590
00:20:01,669 --> 00:20:00,000
that's not the way we're wired as human

591
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:01,679
beings it takes time

592
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,880
uh it takes it takes uh the ability to

593
00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:06,320
to contemplate

594
00:20:09,669 --> 00:20:09,200
the facts and process those facts and

595
00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:09,679
then

596
00:20:14,070 --> 00:20:12,880
have the courage to to be able to have

597
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,080
draw new conclusions

598
00:20:19,270 --> 00:20:17,440
right we tend to be a a um

599
00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:19,280
we don't have a whole lot of humility as

600
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:21,039
a species we tend to think we know we

601
00:20:25,430 --> 00:20:22,720
have all the answers and so

602
00:20:27,350 --> 00:20:25,440
when you are challenged with with uh new

603
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:27,360
information that challenges your

604
00:20:32,310 --> 00:20:30,640
your status quo uh that's that's a tough

605
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,320
pill to swallow for a lot of people

606
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:34,640
and i'm not blaming anybody for this

607
00:20:38,549 --> 00:20:36,240
it's part of the human condition we all

608
00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,559
have these these biases that we

609
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,880
uh we we bring along with us through

610
00:20:44,549 --> 00:20:42,320
life and whether it's uh

611
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:44,559
with religion or or governmental

612
00:20:50,070 --> 00:20:47,039
organizations or institutions or

613
00:20:51,029 --> 00:20:50,080
whatever you know that's kind of the way

614
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:51,039
we are

615
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:54,400
and uh it i think

616
00:20:59,510 --> 00:20:57,440
i do think that um as more information

617
00:21:01,350 --> 00:20:59,520
comes out it's going to continue to

618
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:01,360
drive the conversation but ultimately

619
00:21:04,789 --> 00:21:02,960
it's not videos and it's not pictures

620
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:04,799
that are going to convince people

621
00:21:08,149 --> 00:21:06,400
it's it's going to be dialogue

622
00:21:08,870 --> 00:21:08,159
discussion and conversation with each

623
00:21:10,310 --> 00:21:08,880
other

624
00:21:12,390 --> 00:21:10,320
because at the end of the day you can

625
00:21:15,270 --> 00:21:12,400
always always come up with some sort of

626
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:15,280
crazy prosaic explanation for something

627
00:21:18,549 --> 00:21:16,720
i don't care if i have a picture of this

628
00:21:19,750 --> 00:21:18,559
thing landing on the white house lawn

629
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:19,760
there's going to be people out there

630
00:21:23,029 --> 00:21:21,520
that are going to provide contrary

631
00:21:25,510 --> 00:21:23,039
information and data

632
00:21:26,470 --> 00:21:25,520
uh that will that will argue against

633
00:21:29,510 --> 00:21:26,480
that so

634
00:21:30,549 --> 00:21:29,520
again i i i this is why i tell people

635
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:30,559
look

636
00:21:34,789 --> 00:21:32,720
this is more than just pictures and and

637
00:21:36,710 --> 00:21:34,799
videos to to satisfy

638
00:21:37,830 --> 00:21:36,720
people's curiosity this is this is a

639
00:21:39,909 --> 00:21:37,840
much

640
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:39,919
bigger question we're dealing with here

641
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:41,360
we're dealing with it with

642
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:42,960
with something that may change the very

643
00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:44,960
paradigm in which the human species

644
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:45,919
looks at itself

645
00:21:49,430 --> 00:21:48,159
and and views it's it's itself in the

646
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:49,440
universe

647
00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:52,480
um you know again that's

648
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:55,280
that's that's a whole fundamental

649
00:21:59,750 --> 00:21:57,440
different conversation than just

650
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,760
some pictures of some lights in the sky

651
00:22:02,470 --> 00:22:01,360
and i think that's why i think that's

652
00:22:04,870 --> 00:22:02,480
why it's so important

653
00:22:05,830 --> 00:22:04,880
that that folks like you martin and your

654
00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:05,840
audience

655
00:22:09,830 --> 00:22:07,840
are are willing to have a conversation

656
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,840
about this topic in in an elevated

657
00:22:12,149 --> 00:22:11,520
manner right in a way that that avoids

658
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:12,159
the

659
00:22:22,230 --> 00:22:20,799
has traditionally been associated with

660
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:22,240
this topic and and

661
00:22:26,070 --> 00:22:24,799
been considered fringe when in reality

662
00:22:27,190 --> 00:22:26,080
we may be dealing with one of the

663
00:22:30,870 --> 00:22:27,200
greatest discoveries

664
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:30,880
uh of our species right right

665
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,640
um i know um

666
00:22:38,549 --> 00:22:37,440
when when you think about uh the

667
00:22:39,909 --> 00:22:38,559
different interviews you've been on

668
00:22:40,870 --> 00:22:39,919
lately i watched a couple of them one

669
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,880
was the

670
00:22:44,470 --> 00:22:42,480
basement office i believe it was very

671
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:44,480
well done the interviewer

672
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:47,120
did a very nice job i heard you

673
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:49,919
mentioned that one of your

674
00:22:56,149 --> 00:22:53,360
colleagues or maybe uh maybe someone

675
00:22:58,630 --> 00:22:56,159
in upper ranks mentioned you know have

676
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,640
you read your bible and these things

677
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,039
you know they know what they are and

678
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:02,480
they're demonic

679
00:23:06,070 --> 00:23:05,360
um do you consider that an opinion was

680
00:23:07,990 --> 00:23:06,080
this

681
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:08,000
i mean that can't be based on science

682
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:09,760
was this the opinion of that

683
00:23:14,230 --> 00:23:12,240
person that said that to you well look i

684
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:14,240
i don't want to speculate you know i i

685
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,360
can say all day

686
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,960
something is opinion but if you talk to

687
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,480
somebody who has that type of conviction

688
00:23:23,110 --> 00:23:20,320
that's fact that's not opinion

689
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,120
so and at the end of the day i i can't i

690
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:25,039
can't say definitively that that person

691
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:26,240
is right or wrong

692
00:23:29,990 --> 00:23:28,880
um it's yet another option and at the

693
00:23:32,549 --> 00:23:30,000
end of the day

694
00:23:33,830 --> 00:23:32,559
it's it's it's it's a consideration for

695
00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,840
for a lot of people

696
00:23:37,190 --> 00:23:35,840
that's not a bad thing you know i don't

697
00:23:40,149 --> 00:23:37,200
want to villainize that

698
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:40,159
i don't i don't think if it because

699
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:41,919
people's

700
00:23:47,830 --> 00:23:46,159
belief system is very personal thing

701
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:47,840
and i certainly don't have the right to

702
00:23:52,630 --> 00:23:49,440
to tell somebody that's that's

703
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,640
that's bs that's nonsensical because at

704
00:23:56,789 --> 00:23:55,039
the end of the day they could be right

705
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,799
rather i prefer to take the position

706
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,720
that whatever it is

707
00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:01,039
we should probably figure it out whether

708
00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:03,600
it is something that is supernatural

709
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:06,080
uh or something that is conventional or

710
00:24:10,390 --> 00:24:07,440
something that is truly

711
00:24:11,110 --> 00:24:10,400
you know uh uh hyper natural let's just

712
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:11,120
say that

713
00:24:15,430 --> 00:24:14,400
uh i i think i think it's it's okay to

714
00:24:17,430 --> 00:24:15,440
have that discussion

715
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:17,440
um i don't i don't shy away from it i

716
00:24:21,430 --> 00:24:19,039
don't have the answer to it

717
00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,440
but i don't think it's a reason not to

718
00:24:24,789 --> 00:24:22,960
look at something

719
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:24,799
you know the same explanation was given

720
00:24:28,149 --> 00:24:26,640
by certain members of the church to

721
00:24:30,149 --> 00:24:28,159
galileo

722
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:30,159
centuries ago where they even refused to

723
00:24:31,990 --> 00:24:31,760
look through the very telescope that he

724
00:24:36,390 --> 00:24:32,000
could

725
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,400
and they said no that that's that's the

726
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:38,000
tool of the devil so

727
00:24:43,510 --> 00:24:42,080
um i i i don't think we should stop

728
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:43,520
asking the questions and i don't think

729
00:24:46,630 --> 00:24:44,080
we should

730
00:24:47,990 --> 00:24:46,640
should stop our our exploration if if

731
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,000
you do have a a

732
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,159
theological mind like that well then one

733
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:51,360
could argue god gave us

734
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:53,360
a brain for a reason and that's to

735
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:54,799
figure things out and how are you gonna

736
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:56,000
avoid something if you don't know what

737
00:25:00,950 --> 00:24:57,200
the heck it is

738
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,960
so you know i i i'm careful not to

739
00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,760
not to to say anything um against that

740
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,520
type of perspective i don't personally

741
00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:06,880
agree with it

742
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,360
but uh at the end of the day they could

743
00:25:13,830 --> 00:25:11,039
be absolutely right

744
00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:13,840
but my my my job always has been as an

745
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:15,679
intelligence professional to

746
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,840
to seek out the answers doesn't matter

747
00:25:22,070 --> 00:25:20,000
the source doesn't matter where the work

748
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:22,080
where the question is coming from find

749
00:25:26,549 --> 00:25:24,240
find the answers

750
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:26,559
and that's that's my perspective thank

751
00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:27,520
you um

752
00:25:30,789 --> 00:25:28,880
in the chat room i just want to let

753
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:30,799
people know that unfortunately i

754
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,279
i can't uh put your questions up uh

755
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,120
today i have so many that came in

756
00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:36,720
through email ahead of you

757
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:38,480
but um you will get an opportunity to

758
00:25:42,070 --> 00:25:40,720
call in and at the end of the show and i

759
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,080
might be able to pop up some

760
00:25:45,269 --> 00:25:44,559
questions toward the end end of the show

761
00:26:03,909 --> 00:25:45,279
i

762
00:26:05,190 --> 00:26:03,919
what do you tell people that are

763
00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:05,200
interested in this

764
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:07,360
topic that are new to it and they want

765
00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:08,840
to get really good viable

766
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:12,240
information without getting into

767
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:14,559
say secure team 10 and you know those

768
00:26:18,230 --> 00:26:16,400
type of third phase of the moon and you

769
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:18,240
know fake videos things like that

770
00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:20,960
sure well i i would say it it's okay to

771
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,840
look at all that

772
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:23,679
um i i you know a lot there's a lot of

773
00:26:26,470 --> 00:26:24,960
garbage out there and i'm not going to

774
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,480
say which one is and isn't

775
00:26:30,390 --> 00:26:28,159
i think people hope hopefully are smart

776
00:26:33,590 --> 00:26:30,400
enough to realize that themselves

777
00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:33,600
um i i would encourage anybody to do a

778
00:26:36,390 --> 00:26:34,480
baseline

779
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:36,400
study for themselves on what information

780
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:37,919
is out there

781
00:26:41,990 --> 00:26:40,080
start looking at at the facts and if

782
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:42,000
someone makes a proclamation well

783
00:26:44,549 --> 00:26:43,120
make sure they have the proof in the

784
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:44,559
evidence to back it up otherwise it's

785
00:26:49,990 --> 00:26:45,200
just

786
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,000
uh i would say that that

787
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:52,559
start by getting on something like uh

788
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,760
ufo twitter

789
00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:56,159
where you have a lot of people there of

790
00:27:01,350 --> 00:26:57,520
all different ages and

791
00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:01,360
and religions and ethnicities and races

792
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:04,480
and and start with that um there's a lot

793
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:05,360
of really

794
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:08,720
good uh analysis and study and opinions

795
00:27:13,430 --> 00:27:09,120
being

796
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,440
media

797
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,880
now you're right there's some there's

798
00:27:19,350 --> 00:27:17,520
some some areas that that they should

799
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:19,360
probably be cautious of there's a lot of

800
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:21,120
charlatans

801
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:22,559
and folks out there that are selling

802
00:27:27,669 --> 00:27:25,039
snake oil and and they prey on people

803
00:27:28,070 --> 00:27:27,679
who who are naive they don't they don't

804
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:28,080
have

805
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,840
understanding of the topic

806
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:33,120
and let's not forget you know while

807
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,880
we're on the topic of of religion

808
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:37,679
and whatnot you know ufology to some

809
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,360
degree for a long time has been like

810
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:41,520
a a religion there's a lot of people

811
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:42,799
that have have

812
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:45,600
have glommed on to it in a way that that

813
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:46,159
really

814
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:48,399
influences their day-to-day um

815
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:49,360
livelihood

816
00:27:53,590 --> 00:27:52,640
and uh it it has become a is somewhat of

817
00:27:55,510 --> 00:27:53,600
a religion

818
00:27:56,950 --> 00:27:55,520
and a religious pursuit for them and

819
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,960
there's been some people who have stood

820
00:28:00,630 --> 00:27:57,600
up

821
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:00,640
uh within that community and and and

822
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:02,320
claimed to be its leaders and it's you

823
00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:04,559
know these almost these cult figures

824
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:07,440
something which which i i reject uh

825
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,159
vehemently

826
00:28:14,549 --> 00:28:11,200
that's why i i i try never to say

827
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:14,559
uh i me or i when it comes to

828
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:18,159
to to this topic in ufos and uaps i

829
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:19,120
prefer to say we

830
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:22,399
us and ours uh because ultimately what i

831
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:23,120
have to say

832
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,360
isn't as important as what we

833
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:26,799
collectively have to say about this

834
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:27,840
topic

835
00:28:30,870 --> 00:28:30,240
um and i think that's where you can

836
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:30,880
start

837
00:28:34,789 --> 00:28:33,600
delineating those there that are trying

838
00:28:37,990 --> 00:28:34,799
to suppress

839
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,000
truth and and research because they

840
00:28:40,870 --> 00:28:39,360
what they tell you is no no you don't

841
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:40,880
want to listen to anybody else you only

842
00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,840
want to listen to me

843
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:43,520
i'm the only one with the answers

844
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,360
everybody else there is a charlatan

845
00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,039
nobody knows what they're talking about

846
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:48,799
listen to me give me your money

847
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,200
buy my books and and you're gonna be

848
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:52,799
okay just shut up and don't ask any

849
00:28:57,990 --> 00:28:54,480
questions and we're gonna be fine

850
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:58,000
that that to me is um that's the danger

851
00:29:02,470 --> 00:28:59,600
that's there and lies the danger but

852
00:29:05,029 --> 00:29:02,480
also i i also realize people have to

853
00:29:06,710 --> 00:29:05,039
make make that judgment for themselves

854
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,720
otherwise if i come out and say

855
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:08,320
that person's bad that person is bad

856
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,000
that person's good then i'm just as

857
00:29:15,430 --> 00:29:12,720
guilty of doing the same thing and and

858
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:15,440
as as tempting as it may be for me to do

859
00:29:19,430 --> 00:29:17,200
that and call people out

860
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,440
um it's it's ultimately at the end of

861
00:29:22,230 --> 00:29:21,279
the day it's it's counterproductive and

862
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:22,240
it's hypocritical

863
00:29:27,750 --> 00:29:25,440
and uh i i just i prefer not to get

864
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,760
engaged in that and just continue to

865
00:29:31,430 --> 00:29:29,840
to to do what i'm doing how i'm doing it

866
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,440
and if people like it then

867
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,360
great they can go along the ride with me

868
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:34,880
and if they don't well you know

869
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:38,480
tune into somebody else um i'm gonna be

870
00:29:42,389 --> 00:29:39,360
i'm gonna

871
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:42,399
um talk about what a long time listener

872
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:43,360
the show

873
00:29:48,070 --> 00:29:45,919
gave me for a statement about my blog

874
00:29:51,190 --> 00:29:48,080
but first before that how difficult

875
00:29:51,909 --> 00:29:51,200
is it for someone like you knowing what

876
00:29:54,310 --> 00:29:51,919
you know

877
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:54,320
to bite your tongue a lot of times when

878
00:29:58,230 --> 00:29:55,120
you

879
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:58,240
have this information that's so it's

880
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:59,200
time

881
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:00,720
i'll tell you you know there's so much

882
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:03,279
going on right now uh

883
00:30:10,870 --> 00:30:08,399
you know if i don't tempt me please

884
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:10,880
um you know i'll get you drunk first

885
00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:12,080
it's uh

886
00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,120
yeah and probably wouldn't have to get

887
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,760
me too drunk um you know there's a lot

888
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:17,279
of things happening right now

889
00:30:21,110 --> 00:30:18,720
a lot of good things and there's a lot

890
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:21,120
of frustrating things that that i see

891
00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:22,000
and that i i get

892
00:30:25,669 --> 00:30:24,320
impacted by uh there's a lot of

893
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:25,679
misconceptions

894
00:30:29,510 --> 00:30:27,360
and in some cases by people that that

895
00:30:32,549 --> 00:30:29,520
were very close to me um

896
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:32,559
but i i can't

897
00:30:36,950 --> 00:30:35,279
i can't short-circuit the system if

898
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,960
we're going to do this the right way we

899
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,480
have to have the system

900
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:40,720
as part of the solution and i know that

901
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:42,880
is probably to some people

902
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,480
uh probably heresy you know because

903
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,760
we've been villainizing

904
00:30:53,510 --> 00:30:50,880
the quote the system the man uh for for

905
00:30:56,710 --> 00:30:53,520
years and decades if not generations

906
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,720
but i i think i think ultimately we need

907
00:31:00,230 --> 00:30:58,159
the help of our government i don't think

908
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:00,240
we need to villainize it and and yes i

909
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:01,360
have been subject to

910
00:31:07,909 --> 00:31:05,200
to some some very nasty things

911
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:07,919
that some elements within within the

912
00:31:11,029 --> 00:31:08,559
government

913
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:11,039
have have have done and continued to try

914
00:31:13,990 --> 00:31:11,760
to do to me

915
00:31:15,350 --> 00:31:14,000
um to disparage me to to destroy my

916
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:15,360
credibility to

917
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,880
usurp me from from having this

918
00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,799
conversation um

919
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,559
but i also know for every one of those

920
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:22,320
there's 10 others that are very good

921
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,679
and i still have a lot of friends in the

922
00:31:26,789 --> 00:31:25,600
department a lot of friends in the

923
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,799
intelligence community

924
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,720
and and they tell me privately lou you

925
00:31:32,389 --> 00:31:30,080
know we you're

926
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:32,399
you guys are making a difference we we

927
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,320
we hear you loud and clear and we're

928
00:31:38,230 --> 00:31:36,240
seeing the evidence ourselves

929
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,240
uh at you know at the classified level

930
00:31:41,350 --> 00:31:40,159
and and for that reason that gives me

931
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,360
the encouragement to

932
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,279
to continue to have this conversation

933
00:31:46,789 --> 00:31:45,039
look the moment

934
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,799
the government at large comes to me and

935
00:31:51,590 --> 00:31:49,600
says lou stand down

936
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:51,600
i'll probably stand down but but i

937
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,200
haven't been told that yet

938
00:31:56,710 --> 00:31:55,360
by my government i've been told that by

939
00:31:58,149 --> 00:31:56,720
certain people in the government but

940
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:58,159
they don't represent the government they

941
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:59,279
don't they don't

942
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,360
they don't represent the will of the

943
00:32:04,789 --> 00:32:02,720
government and so

944
00:32:06,310 --> 00:32:04,799
um i'm just going to keep doing what i'm

945
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,320
doing until

946
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,760
until we until we succeed great um this

947
00:32:12,549 --> 00:32:10,720
came in from

948
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,559
someone but i had a very similar

949
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,159
question so

950
00:32:19,350 --> 00:32:16,640
i'm going to ask this it's basically the

951
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:19,360
same thing or along the same lines

952
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:21,279
so it's lou has stated in many

953
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,200
interviews that he resigned from his

954
00:32:26,149 --> 00:32:24,240
position

955
00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,159
at the pentagon out of frustration for

956
00:32:28,470 --> 00:32:27,840
being blocked from passing along the

957
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:28,480
troubling

958
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:31,600
uap data to secretary of defense james

959
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,159
mattis

960
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:35,360
i hadn't heard anyone ask him whether he

961
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,000
attempted to reach general mattis

962
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,559
after his own resignation since they

963
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,000
were both private citizens

964
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:45,840
now uh so it's a question are you asking

965
00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,960
me have i spoken to

966
00:32:52,630 --> 00:32:50,000
general madison i have not um and

967
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:52,640
nor has he reached out and you know he's

968
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:53,760
a busy man i'm sure

969
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:56,240
probably this is is probably one of the

970
00:32:59,509 --> 00:32:57,279
things that he's

971
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:59,519
he's probably not focused on um he's

972
00:33:01,830 --> 00:33:00,640
probably focused on a lot of other

973
00:33:04,230 --> 00:33:01,840
things right now

974
00:33:05,430 --> 00:33:04,240
uh it's it's not like he uh he he can't

975
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,440
get a job somewhere

976
00:33:09,029 --> 00:33:07,200
and probably be very and be very very

977
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,039
useful uh but no

978
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,480
but quite frankly i haven't reached out

979
00:33:14,070 --> 00:33:12,159
either um

980
00:33:15,430 --> 00:33:14,080
i'm not sure there's a need to he he he

981
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:15,440
received my letter he

982
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:17,120
he knows what the issue is and and

983
00:33:19,509 --> 00:33:18,480
there's not much he can do about it now

984
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,519
because a year

985
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:21,200
year after i resigned he did the same

986
00:33:27,269 --> 00:33:23,519
thing uh resigned in protest

987
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:27,279
so uh there you have it

988
00:33:32,789 --> 00:33:30,559
resigned in protest he did

989
00:33:33,990 --> 00:33:32,799
he did general matters but not but not

990
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,000
directly because of

991
00:33:37,190 --> 00:33:35,919
this task force that you were involved

992
00:33:38,470 --> 00:33:37,200
in well

993
00:33:40,789 --> 00:33:38,480
he resigned for many reasons i'm not

994
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,799
going to speak for general mattis

995
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:42,240
you know he's a learned man and he wrote

996
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,679
a resignation memo that pretty much

997
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,120
anybody can pull up now

998
00:33:48,389 --> 00:33:47,360
i'm sure on google and and ascertain for

999
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:48,399
themselves but

1000
00:33:52,710 --> 00:33:51,600
he was uh he was frustrated just like i

1001
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:52,720
was for

1002
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:54,480
about certain things in the department

1003
00:33:57,430 --> 00:33:56,000
and in the government that he he

1004
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:57,440
couldn't fix while he was inside the

1005
00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:59,679
government

1006
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,200
right right um the task force that

1007
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,679
we're supposed to be getting a report

1008
00:34:10,310 --> 00:34:07,200
but it's probably going to take

1009
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:10,320
a lot longer it may or may not um has

1010
00:34:14,550 --> 00:34:11,679
anyone reached out

1011
00:34:15,909 --> 00:34:14,560
to you or chris that you're aware of in

1012
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,919
regards to

1013
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,520
information i mean would they even do

1014
00:34:20,950 --> 00:34:19,440
that to begin with

1015
00:34:22,869 --> 00:34:20,960
uh well you're asking me two questions

1016
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:22,879
would they uh

1017
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,599
and and did they is it a second question

1018
00:34:28,550 --> 00:34:27,919
um i i'm not gonna answer on behalf of

1019
00:34:32,869 --> 00:34:28,560
the government

1020
00:34:34,149 --> 00:34:32,879
degree they're comfortable discussing

1021
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:34,159
their business

1022
00:34:37,589 --> 00:34:36,240
that's up to the us government certainly

1023
00:34:38,869 --> 00:34:37,599
chris and i have made ourselves

1024
00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:38,879
available

1025
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,320
to to assist when and where needed

1026
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,040
but the capacity in which that that

1027
00:34:50,550 --> 00:34:47,520
assistance has been rendered

1028
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:50,560
is is not for us to discuss um and i

1029
00:34:53,589 --> 00:34:51,119
know

1030
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:53,599
by doing that uh every time i say that

1031
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:54,399
people foil

1032
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,919
the government and elements in the

1033
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,680
government say yeah he has nothing to do

1034
00:35:02,310 --> 00:34:59,839
well okay if that's if that's our

1035
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,320
position then that's their position now

1036
00:35:07,430 --> 00:35:05,440
um i i respect that um i

1037
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:07,440
you know i'm not gonna i'm not gonna

1038
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:08,480
have an argument

1039
00:35:11,750 --> 00:35:10,400
on social media about that i think that

1040
00:35:13,990 --> 00:35:11,760
the facts are

1041
00:35:15,430 --> 00:35:14,000
are continuing to surface and the

1042
00:35:16,630 --> 00:35:15,440
american people can be a judge for

1043
00:35:18,470 --> 00:35:16,640
themselves on that

1044
00:35:19,990 --> 00:35:18,480
um sorry if you hear some banging in the

1045
00:35:23,190 --> 00:35:20,000
background that is good

1046
00:35:24,550 --> 00:35:23,200
yeah i apologize yeah i have i have some

1047
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,560
construction going on here i do

1048
00:35:27,430 --> 00:35:26,240
apologize i'll try to mute my side

1049
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:27,440
whenever i'm not talking

1050
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:28,800
yeah you can tell them to use a screw

1051
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:31,040
gun instead of a hammer uh

1052
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:34,240
yeah it'll be sturdier anyway so i asked

1053
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:35,280
a long time

1054
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,960
um listener to this show he's a retired

1055
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,880
scientist phil sanders

1056
00:35:45,190 --> 00:35:43,280
what he thought has been the biggest

1057
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:45,200
change since 2000

1058
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,480
um the 2017 new york times article

1059
00:35:52,390 --> 00:35:50,480
and this is what um his opinion is the

1060
00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:52,400
biggest thing for me is how the penta

1061
00:35:55,510 --> 00:35:54,800
pentagon spokespeople keep lying

1062
00:35:57,589 --> 00:35:55,520
changing their

1063
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:57,599
story despite harry reid saying

1064
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:58,880
unequivocally

1065
00:36:01,990 --> 00:36:01,280
that lewis did what he said he did while

1066
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:02,000
the rhetoric

1067
00:36:07,750 --> 00:36:05,359
from mellon and elizondo

1068
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,760
is ratcheting up towards ufos being

1069
00:36:10,790 --> 00:36:08,960
otherworldly

1070
00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:10,800
at least one person in the pentagon

1071
00:36:14,230 --> 00:36:12,240
claimed that lewis

1072
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:14,240
claimed to lewis that they were demons

1073
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:15,599
it seems that the federal government

1074
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:18,240
does not have a unified voice

1075
00:36:22,870 --> 00:36:21,520
um any comments on that comment

1076
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,880
no i think that's precisely correct they

1077
00:36:26,470 --> 00:36:24,160
don't have a unified voice and that's

1078
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:26,480
why there's a report due to congress

1079
00:36:29,829 --> 00:36:28,640
because they want a unified voice that's

1080
00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:29,839
why there is this

1081
00:36:33,510 --> 00:36:31,520
this vulnerability assessment this

1082
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:33,520
threat assessment that's due

1083
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:35,920
um because there are conflicting

1084
00:36:39,750 --> 00:36:36,880
messages

1085
00:36:40,150 --> 00:36:39,760
not just about me but about atip itself

1086
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:40,160
uh

1087
00:36:43,349 --> 00:36:41,839
and what the purpose of the program was

1088
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:43,359
and what his findings were and what the

1089
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,960
new version of atip

1090
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,920
is doing now to this day um you know the

1091
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:49,599
the pentagon does indeed have

1092
00:36:54,150 --> 00:36:52,400
a a a problem on its hands and that is

1093
00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:54,160
an inconsistent message

1094
00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839
they continue to flip-flop back and

1095
00:36:58,470 --> 00:36:58,000
forth back and forth and and some of it

1096
00:37:02,950 --> 00:36:58,480
to the

1097
00:37:04,870 --> 00:37:02,960
it's laughable if it was about any other

1098
00:37:06,150 --> 00:37:04,880
topic but it's not because we're dealing

1099
00:37:08,790 --> 00:37:06,160
with about people's

1100
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:08,800
people's livelihoods and jobs and and

1101
00:37:14,230 --> 00:37:11,200
and they take their jobs very serious

1102
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,240
so it's for me it's um

1103
00:37:18,069 --> 00:37:17,040
it's sad to see but i think that uh one

1104
00:37:20,470 --> 00:37:18,079
of the one of the

1105
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:20,480
i think positive outcomes of this is

1106
00:37:24,230 --> 00:37:21,119
that you have an

1107
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,240
ig uh

1108
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:26,400
report that will probably be coming out

1109
00:37:30,150 --> 00:37:27,839
of this as well so

1110
00:37:32,710 --> 00:37:30,160
as you see that there's the dod ig is

1111
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:32,720
taking this very seriously particularly

1112
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:36,160
the the inconsistent

1113
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:37,760
messaging and how they've been handling

1114
00:37:41,510 --> 00:37:39,839
this topic so far uh

1115
00:37:43,190 --> 00:37:41,520
you know and and there's gonna be some

1116
00:37:44,630 --> 00:37:43,200
some really hard questions that are

1117
00:37:45,910 --> 00:37:44,640
gonna have to be answered by some pretty

1118
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:45,920
senior people here

1119
00:37:49,190 --> 00:37:48,400
uh in in the coming uh weeks months and

1120
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:49,200
and uh

1121
00:37:53,190 --> 00:37:51,599
and years because you're right there's a

1122
00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:53,200
problem um

1123
00:37:58,150 --> 00:37:56,560
someone is not doing

1124
00:37:59,829 --> 00:37:58,160
necessarily what they're supposed to be

1125
00:38:01,910 --> 00:37:59,839
doing and

1126
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,920
doesn't have the information they need

1127
00:38:08,710 --> 00:38:03,599
to be interacting

1128
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,390
that's a problem that is that's a big

1129
00:38:13,190 --> 00:38:11,839
problem um i think

1130
00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:13,200
ultimately this will probably lead to

1131
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:15,040
some sort of of hearings

1132
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:16,880
uh with congress at least i would hope

1133
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,040
that's the case some open hearings

1134
00:38:26,069 --> 00:38:22,320
uh for for the public to then then

1135
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:26,079
be part of um but with that said i think

1136
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,280
i'll probably uh

1137
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:29,520
i don't i don't think i want to to opine

1138
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:31,599
any further

1139
00:38:36,069 --> 00:38:34,079
a lot of people were very confused by to

1140
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,079
the stars academy i know

1141
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:38,960
i know that you left um and and a few

1142
00:38:43,190 --> 00:38:39,920
others left

1143
00:38:44,310 --> 00:38:43,200
um a lot of people like i said they're

1144
00:38:46,630 --> 00:38:44,320
very very confused

1145
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,640
like is it a money-making thing what is

1146
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,640
this what's going on there

1147
00:38:53,430 --> 00:38:51,520
um i believe in general the intentions

1148
00:38:55,589 --> 00:38:53,440
were all good

1149
00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:55,599
um for the for the person that doesn't

1150
00:38:57,910 --> 00:38:57,359
know out there the listener that doesn't

1151
00:39:01,430 --> 00:38:57,920
know

1152
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:01,440
uh what uh made you decide

1153
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:05,040
uh to move on from that sure uh

1154
00:39:09,190 --> 00:39:06,400
first of all you're right the intentions

1155
00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:09,200
of ttsa were good um they were to

1156
00:39:14,310 --> 00:39:12,560
to drive discussion and innovation uh on

1157
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:14,320
a topic that was fraught

1158
00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,920
with uh conspiracy taboo and stigma

1159
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,079
and and to a large degree it succeeded

1160
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:22,000
in breaking down many of those barriers

1161
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,560
and and in large part is because of some

1162
00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:25,599
of the people that were part of that

1163
00:39:30,230 --> 00:39:27,359
effort we had chris mellon

1164
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:30,240
and hal pudov and steve justice and jim

1165
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:32,079
semivan and tom

1166
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:34,160
all with different skill sets and uh

1167
00:39:38,470 --> 00:39:35,599
these individuals

1168
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:38,480
had a tremendous amount of expertise and

1169
00:39:40,230 --> 00:39:38,880
for

1170
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:40,240
from from the perspective of what they

1171
00:39:44,470 --> 00:39:42,079
brought to the table and

1172
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:44,480
it was able to accomplish uh in a very

1173
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:46,160
short time period

1174
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,680
um much of it's it's it's its major

1175
00:39:52,950 --> 00:39:52,000
goal and that was to drive disclosure

1176
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,960
now

1177
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,440
why did we leave um i can't speak for

1178
00:39:58,950 --> 00:39:57,440
for steve justice or hal or chris

1179
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:58,960
or anybody else i can only speak for

1180
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:00,960
myself but for myself

1181
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:04,319
uh the the company was shifting towards

1182
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,960
entertainment and entertainment is a

1183
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:08,240
good way to get your

1184
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:10,960
return on investment if you have people

1185
00:40:15,670 --> 00:40:13,040
contributing to a company

1186
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,680
through stocks well you kind of are

1187
00:40:18,550 --> 00:40:17,520
obligated to to give them a return on

1188
00:40:19,829 --> 00:40:18,560
their stocks

1189
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,839
that's what they expect at the end of

1190
00:40:23,750 --> 00:40:21,680
the day it was a business

1191
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,760
and so as a company began to shift

1192
00:40:28,790 --> 00:40:25,920
towards entertainment as a means to

1193
00:40:30,150 --> 00:40:28,800
to i think uh address uh the

1194
00:40:33,589 --> 00:40:30,160
shareholders

1195
00:40:35,270 --> 00:40:33,599
um my

1196
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:35,280
my position became less and less

1197
00:40:39,270 --> 00:40:37,839
relevant because i i don't have the

1198
00:40:40,309 --> 00:40:39,280
experience in entertainment i'm not an

1199
00:40:43,349 --> 00:40:40,319
entertainer

1200
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,359
uh i'm not a tv star

1201
00:40:46,870 --> 00:40:45,920
movie star uh yeah i was on tv but it

1202
00:40:49,990 --> 00:40:46,880
doesn't make me

1203
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:50,000
a tv person um i

1204
00:40:54,550 --> 00:40:53,040
i'm just lou and so my my skill sets

1205
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:54,560
really relies and

1206
00:41:00,150 --> 00:40:58,560
uh lies in the areas of of

1207
00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:00,160
connecting the dots and getting the

1208
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,760
right information to the right people at

1209
00:41:05,270 --> 00:41:03,440
the right time at the right place

1210
00:41:07,589 --> 00:41:05,280
that's that's where my skill sets come

1211
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:07,599
in and uh there's not a big there's not

1212
00:41:11,270 --> 00:41:08,640
a big demand for that

1213
00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:11,280
in in hollywood it's just that's you

1214
00:41:14,390 --> 00:41:12,319
know hollywood is

1215
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,400
is reaching out to an audience largely

1216
00:41:17,109 --> 00:41:15,760
through through

1217
00:41:19,349 --> 00:41:17,119
scripted and unscripted type

1218
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:19,359
entertainment and that's that's not my

1219
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:20,000
forte

1220
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:24,480
the lines from my

1221
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:26,160
my background and my intelligence

1222
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,000
expertise which is

1223
00:41:31,270 --> 00:41:30,640
getting uh legislators to pay attention

1224
00:41:34,150 --> 00:41:31,280
ex

1225
00:41:35,109 --> 00:41:34,160
attention people in the media to pay

1226
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,119
attention

1227
00:41:40,309 --> 00:41:38,319
and and

1228
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:40,319
lastly the american people which is

1229
00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:42,000
probably the most important thing

1230
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,520
that we could be doing is to get get

1231
00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:45,200
them to pay attention and that's why i'm

1232
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:46,000
doing

1233
00:41:52,230 --> 00:41:49,040
shows like yours um just as i do

1234
00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:52,240
any other other other televised news

1235
00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:53,200
whether it's

1236
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:57,040
a major media outlet or or or a niche

1237
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,599
uh podcast because i think i think the

1238
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,400
information

1239
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:02,880
is deserved by everybody um i i don't

1240
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:03,839
you know i'm not a

1241
00:42:07,670 --> 00:42:06,000
i'm not a media snob i don't uh i don't

1242
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:07,680
say well unless you have a million

1243
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,440
viewers i'm not going to waste my time

1244
00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:11,839
i don't care if you have one viewer

1245
00:42:14,950 --> 00:42:13,040
bottom line this conversation is

1246
00:42:18,150 --> 00:42:14,960
important and it pertains to everybody

1247
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:18,160
and i think i am it this for me is

1248
00:42:23,349 --> 00:42:21,200
where probably i can be better used and

1249
00:42:25,670 --> 00:42:23,359
served

1250
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:25,680
by by engagement like this vice let's

1251
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:26,800
say some

1252
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:30,640
uh big fancy hollywood movie production

1253
00:42:37,790 --> 00:42:34,160
uh you know that that's about about me

1254
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:37,800
um i'm not really that guy

1255
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:40,400
unidentified great series i really

1256
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:41,040
enjoyed it

1257
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,240
is that is that not continuing

1258
00:42:47,270 --> 00:42:46,960
i mean things the dynamics have changed

1259
00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:47,280
well

1260
00:42:50,470 --> 00:42:48,880
you know we we never intended it to go

1261
00:42:53,349 --> 00:42:50,480
beyond really two to

1262
00:42:55,190 --> 00:42:53,359
two seasons when chris nye and others

1263
00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:55,200
got into this this was a me we look

1264
00:42:57,349 --> 00:42:56,640
again we're not hollywood people we did

1265
00:42:59,349 --> 00:42:57,359
this

1266
00:43:01,349 --> 00:42:59,359
to communicate a message and to

1267
00:43:02,309 --> 00:43:01,359
demonstrate the seriousness of this

1268
00:43:05,190 --> 00:43:02,319
topic

1269
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,200
um you know if at some point in the in

1270
00:43:09,109 --> 00:43:07,200
the future or near future it looks like

1271
00:43:11,030 --> 00:43:09,119
we need to engage again

1272
00:43:13,349 --> 00:43:11,040
to do something like that and bring out

1273
00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:13,359
new evidence new material and and

1274
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:14,960
then we're we're certainly open to do

1275
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:16,880
that um but we have to be very careful

1276
00:43:20,550 --> 00:43:18,640
because we only have so much bandwidth

1277
00:43:22,309 --> 00:43:20,560
there's only so many hours in the day

1278
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:22,319
that i can commit to doing something

1279
00:43:24,790 --> 00:43:23,119
like this which

1280
00:43:26,309 --> 00:43:24,800
as you know doesn't pay the bills i i

1281
00:43:28,069 --> 00:43:26,319
don't i don't receive a penny

1282
00:43:29,750 --> 00:43:28,079
from anybody doing anything like this

1283
00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:29,760
you know i have a real job i have to i

1284
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:30,960
have to do

1285
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:33,920
um and it you know doesn't really

1286
00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:34,480
involve

1287
00:43:38,550 --> 00:43:37,440
um outreach to the public so this is on

1288
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,560
my own time

1289
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,560
and i spend a lot of my time doing this

1290
00:43:44,150 --> 00:43:41,920
and and at some point

1291
00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:44,160
if it turns out that we we have another

1292
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:45,440
opportunity to

1293
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:47,599
maybe engage the american people and the

1294
00:43:51,030 --> 00:43:49,040
world and something similar to what we

1295
00:43:53,829 --> 00:43:51,040
had with unidentified then

1296
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,839
yeah you know we may we may consider

1297
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:55,280
doing that but it'll be

1298
00:43:58,069 --> 00:43:56,640
though keep in mind you're going to be

1299
00:43:59,190 --> 00:43:58,079
filming for seven months out of the year

1300
00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,200
non-stop

1301
00:44:04,150 --> 00:44:02,640
it's it's at the it's at the consequence

1302
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:04,160
of not being able to do like what i'm

1303
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:05,599
doing with you here today so

1304
00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:08,560
either i i can do this like we're doing

1305
00:44:13,190 --> 00:44:10,400
and continue to engage the media

1306
00:44:14,150 --> 00:44:13,200
and and push forward or i can do

1307
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:14,160
something like that

1308
00:44:19,990 --> 00:44:17,520
but it's going to cause me to be removed

1309
00:44:22,150 --> 00:44:20,000
from the from the from the trade space

1310
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,160
for for a prolonged period of time

1311
00:44:25,510 --> 00:44:23,920
and of course and there's ndas and i

1312
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:25,520
can't talk about what we're doing until

1313
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,319
it comes out

1314
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,920
and people start getting impatient say

1315
00:44:30,309 --> 00:44:29,440
lou where the hell are you what what are

1316
00:44:33,510 --> 00:44:30,319
you doing lately

1317
00:44:36,150 --> 00:44:33,520
you know are you alive um and that

1318
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,160
that kind of stuff yeah i i know when i

1319
00:44:39,030 --> 00:44:37,599
talked to the publicist

1320
00:44:41,510 --> 00:44:39,040
um that was working with the history

1321
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:41,520
channel and you and and others

1322
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:43,760
um it was oh he's traveling he's

1323
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:45,280
traveling you know he can't do anything

1324
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:46,720
he's traveling he's traveling

1325
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,000
and then covet came and she said

1326
00:44:53,910 --> 00:44:52,240
he's traveling i said during covet this

1327
00:44:56,309 --> 00:44:53,920
one was traveling

1328
00:44:57,589 --> 00:44:56,319
and you may or may not have been uh we

1329
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,599
have a couple of uh

1330
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:59,200
questions in one of them is actually

1331
00:45:02,870 --> 00:45:01,280
from bill the engineer

1332
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:02,880
and again uh we will get to your

1333
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:04,400
questions you know if you'd like to call

1334
00:45:06,950 --> 00:45:04,960
in

1335
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,960
i will put that number up just a tad

1336
00:45:10,390 --> 00:45:08,160
early um

1337
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:10,400
on the half of the last half of the hour

1338
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,240
uh would louis appear

1339
00:45:17,829 --> 00:45:15,680
at an open or closed door hearing

1340
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:17,839
if called upon to discuss the aerial

1341
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,359
threat assessment

1342
00:45:22,790 --> 00:45:22,240
post report well i'm not sure i'd have a

1343
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:22,800
choice

1344
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:24,560
um you know if congress issues a

1345
00:45:29,190 --> 00:45:26,720
subpoena you you you're going

1346
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,200
so uh you know let me answer that

1347
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:31,680
succinctly yes if i'm asked to testify i

1348
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:32,000
will

1349
00:45:38,950 --> 00:45:37,119
yeah um there's other there's a ton of

1350
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:38,960
other questions but i wanted to tell you

1351
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,400
something really interesting that

1352
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,480
happened to me many years ago before i

1353
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:44,160
was really even looking into this topic

1354
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:45,040
at all

1355
00:45:51,910 --> 00:45:48,800
um you know i had a slight interest as a

1356
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:51,920
kid but i had a sighting in 2006

1357
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,560
um that kind of you know it's why i'm

1358
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:56,000
doing the show today

1359
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,760
but before the time i wasn't really

1360
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,520
paying too much attention to anything

1361
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:00,000
but

1362
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:02,160
i had an insurance broker i've mentioned

1363
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:04,000
this on this show before

1364
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,440
who was at my house and we were

1365
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,000
chit-chatting um he was hanging out and

1366
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:10,319
we were talking and he talked about when

1367
00:46:15,990 --> 00:46:12,800
he was in vietnam served in vietnam

1368
00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:16,000
and then he very quietly said i was in a

1369
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,480
very

1370
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,560
unusual position i said well what was

1371
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:19,520
that

1372
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:22,160
and he said well i belonged to a task

1373
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:22,640
force

1374
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,680
in vietnam that was researching the ufo

1375
00:46:31,190 --> 00:46:29,599
uh phenomena that was happening during

1376
00:46:34,390 --> 00:46:31,200
the war

1377
00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:34,400
and uh so i asked i said

1378
00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,680
you know of course i asked them the

1379
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:37,200
question well what is it what are they

1380
00:46:40,470 --> 00:46:38,240
you know i mean that's what

1381
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:40,480
everyone kind of wants to know anyway

1382
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:42,000
and um

1383
00:46:46,069 --> 00:46:44,640
and then um as we were talking i said

1384
00:46:49,270 --> 00:46:46,079
you know when i was in high school

1385
00:46:50,710 --> 00:46:49,280
i did i did an essay that perhaps all

1386
00:46:52,230 --> 00:46:50,720
the different racism

1387
00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,240
in the world were placed here from

1388
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,920
different planets just just kind of a

1389
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:55,119
fun thing

1390
00:46:58,710 --> 00:46:56,880
and i mentioned that to him and he said

1391
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:58,720
well you know that may not be that far

1392
00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,079
off he said we may be a petri dish

1393
00:47:05,589 --> 00:47:04,400
and this was like in the early 1990s

1394
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,599
something like that

1395
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:07,520
and i just wondered had you ever heard

1396
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,720
of any

1397
00:47:12,790 --> 00:47:10,640
like task force like that when it comes

1398
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:12,800
to the vietnam war

1399
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,400
well first of all i'll state

1400
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:16,240
emphatically we are a petri dish

1401
00:47:20,069 --> 00:47:19,440
um you know that origins aside we we are

1402
00:47:24,069 --> 00:47:20,079
there's

1403
00:47:24,790 --> 00:47:24,079
this on this little planet that we call

1404
00:47:26,549 --> 00:47:24,800
earth

1405
00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,559
and it's it's it it's pervasive

1406
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:28,800
everywhere uh it it's virtually in the

1407
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:32,079
the highest parts of uh of our our of

1408
00:47:37,990 --> 00:47:33,359
our

1409
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,000
ocean and even miles under

1410
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:41,200
ice so so we are a bit of a petri dish

1411
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:43,200
and and to some degree human beings are

1412
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:44,720
a walking petri dish

1413
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:46,400
with my background in microbiology and

1414
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:48,800
immunology um

1415
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:51,760
have i heard about a task force designed

1416
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:52,559
in

1417
00:48:02,230 --> 00:48:00,960
but what i will say is that at the time

1418
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:02,240
the height of the cold war

1419
00:48:05,990 --> 00:48:05,040
we were in the we were in the midst of

1420
00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:06,000
fighting multiple

1421
00:48:09,990 --> 00:48:08,960
proxy wars whether in central america or

1422
00:48:13,270 --> 00:48:10,000
in uh

1423
00:48:13,990 --> 00:48:13,280
in um in asia and africa and everywhere

1424
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:14,000
else

1425
00:48:17,109 --> 00:48:16,000
um you know the stakes were high and so

1426
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:17,119
it's

1427
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,760
we had us in the soviet union were

1428
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:21,599
constantly coming up with new innovative

1429
00:48:24,069 --> 00:48:22,559
ways to

1430
00:48:25,829 --> 00:48:24,079
to collect on each other and ultimately

1431
00:48:27,270 --> 00:48:25,839
kill each other uh and that's true not

1432
00:48:28,230 --> 00:48:27,280
just from a nuclear technology

1433
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:28,240
perspective

1434
00:48:31,750 --> 00:48:31,119
it's true in in aerospace uh you know we

1435
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,760
had

1436
00:48:35,030 --> 00:48:34,160
that was a time in the in the 60s and

1437
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,040
70s that we

1438
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:37,359
really were beginning to to develop

1439
00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:40,079
things such as the sr-71 blackbird

1440
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:41,920
um and if you've never seen one of those

1441
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:43,920
before in the 1960s it probably looked

1442
00:48:48,470 --> 00:48:45,119
like a spaceship

1443
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,480
uh we had the x-15 russia had a bunch of

1444
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,960
new technology um you know we were

1445
00:48:53,349 --> 00:48:52,480
constantly dodging surface-to-air

1446
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:53,359
missiles

1447
00:48:59,589 --> 00:48:57,119
uh in in vietnam over the border

1448
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,599
and so it was a really hot time for

1449
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,440
being a cold war so to speak

1450
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:03,119
uh it may have been a cold war by name

1451
00:49:06,549 --> 00:49:04,800
but certainly not by action

1452
00:49:07,910 --> 00:49:06,559
and so it doesn't surprise me that we

1453
00:49:10,549 --> 00:49:07,920
had a task force

1454
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,559
that was uh designed to to try to

1455
00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:12,160
identify new types of innovative

1456
00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,359
technologies

1457
00:49:17,589 --> 00:49:15,760
from from our enemy now whether or not

1458
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:17,599
that task force was specifically looking

1459
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:20,480
at ufos or looking at basically any type

1460
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,119
of

1461
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:22,880
technology that we don't immediately

1462
00:49:25,750 --> 00:49:24,319
recognize uh

1463
00:49:27,430 --> 00:49:25,760
that's you know that's certainly that's

1464
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:27,440
certainly possible um

1465
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:29,119
you know i i wasn't aware of anything

1466
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,480
when i was in atip

1467
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:31,920
only to find out that i met an

1468
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:34,160
individual after it took me after i left

1469
00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,800
atip

1470
00:49:37,670 --> 00:49:36,319
to realize there was an individual that

1471
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:37,680
was working this project back in the

1472
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:39,200
1980s for the navy

1473
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:42,319
and that was for me was uh rather

1474
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,119
surprising

1475
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,319
um i no one had failed to mention that

1476
00:49:50,150 --> 00:49:48,720
to me when i was when i was in atip and

1477
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,160
it probably would have been very useful

1478
00:49:54,630 --> 00:49:52,319
so am i surprised

1479
00:49:56,829 --> 00:49:54,640
not particularly am i aware of it no i'm

1480
00:49:59,910 --> 00:49:56,839
not aware of it

1481
00:50:01,030 --> 00:49:59,920
interesting going back uh we can go all

1482
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,040
the way back to the night

1483
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:03,440
late 1940s when we'll call it like the

1484
00:50:08,710 --> 00:50:04,079
modern

1485
00:50:11,990 --> 00:50:08,720
ufo era i guess um since about that time

1486
00:50:14,309 --> 00:50:12,000
if the air force actually admitted

1487
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:14,319
that we have things flying around our

1488
00:50:18,309 --> 00:50:16,160
sky we don't know

1489
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:18,319
what they are what they could or could

1490
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,079
not do to us

1491
00:50:24,309 --> 00:50:23,040
and we have no control over it um

1492
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:24,319
because that

1493
00:50:31,589 --> 00:50:27,920
seemingly what is the truth of it all

1494
00:50:32,309 --> 00:50:31,599
but um for them to uh just stay quiet

1495
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,319
about that

1496
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:35,040
um do you think that if they did admit

1497
00:50:39,270 --> 00:50:36,079
something like that

1498
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,280
that there would be some type of panic

1499
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,040
well think about first of all what we're

1500
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,680
what we're asking the institution to do

1501
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,680
and that is to admit to the american

1502
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:47,359
people that there's something

1503
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:49,520
in our skies again we don't know what it

1504
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,960
is we don't know how it works we don't

1505
00:50:53,109 --> 00:50:52,160
know where it's from we don't know their

1506
00:50:54,950 --> 00:50:53,119
intentions

1507
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,960
and there's nothing we can do about it

1508
00:51:00,390 --> 00:50:57,280
for any country to say that

1509
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:00,400
um is is is admitting

1510
00:51:04,950 --> 00:51:03,440
that um that the government cannot do

1511
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,960
one of its primary functions and that is

1512
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:06,400
to protect the people

1513
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,520
uh and and determine what a threat is

1514
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,119
so that's a very bold statement at the

1515
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:13,119
height of the cold war with the russians

1516
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,040
there were several studies done that

1517
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,119
actually informed the government and

1518
00:51:19,589 --> 00:51:18,559
advise the government don't have this

1519
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:19,599
conversation

1520
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,960
if these things aren't directly

1521
00:51:23,030 --> 00:51:22,319
interfering with your military

1522
00:51:24,549 --> 00:51:23,040
operations

1523
00:51:26,950 --> 00:51:24,559
ignore them and focus on the threat

1524
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:26,960
which is russia because they have nukes

1525
00:51:31,190 --> 00:51:29,280
and they have demonstrated a capability

1526
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:31,200
uh to to deliver those

1527
00:51:36,630 --> 00:51:33,920
should we go to war and so that was

1528
00:51:39,829 --> 00:51:36,640
where our time and attention was spent

1529
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:39,839
and it's it's no it's it's it probably

1530
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:40,640
would have been

1531
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,680
would not have been helpful uh to the

1532
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:44,880
american government

1533
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:46,319
because if it turned out that these were

1534
00:51:49,910 --> 00:51:48,000
some sort of russian

1535
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,920
technologies being used against us that

1536
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,040
would be a really

1537
00:51:55,589 --> 00:51:52,720
difficult conversation to have with the

1538
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,599
american people i mean that would be

1539
00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,599
that would be a very tough conversation

1540
00:52:01,109 --> 00:51:59,040
and uh so i

1541
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:01,119
i think some folks just decided it

1542
00:52:04,630 --> 00:52:03,119
probably better off just to ignore it

1543
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:04,640
and not pay attention to it maybe

1544
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:06,800
minimize it as a reality

1545
00:52:11,349 --> 00:52:09,200
uh and instead focus on on the big

1546
00:52:15,670 --> 00:52:11,359
threat that we know is there and that is

1547
00:52:17,430 --> 00:52:15,680
that is the at the time the the soviets

1548
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,440
right right and there's still you know i

1549
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:19,200
mean part of this task force

1550
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,559
is an exploration to you know

1551
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,599
for that possibility um we are we are

1552
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:27,359
going to head into break right now we

1553
00:52:29,670 --> 00:52:28,240
got a um

1554
00:52:31,349 --> 00:52:29,680
about a three and a half minute break

1555
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,359
we're going to go into right now

1556
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,280
and uh during this break i'm going to be

1557
00:52:38,470 --> 00:52:35,119
playing a

1558
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:38,480
a song called run the shim and that's uh

1559
00:52:43,349 --> 00:52:41,680
by brandesham forest and that's by

1560
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:43,359
johnny cobb and jerry mccoy we're going

1561
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,160
to play that

1562
00:53:00,850 --> 00:52:46,319
during the break so hang in there over

1563
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,860
at kgra radio we'll be right back

1564
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:03,200
[Music]

1565
00:53:14,309 --> 00:53:06,240
just after midnight

1566
00:53:18,069 --> 00:53:14,319
late december 1980s

1567
00:53:21,980 --> 00:53:18,079
lights in the sky flowing smears

1568
00:53:28,290 --> 00:53:24,790
[Music]

1569
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:28,300
the wolves lit up like fire

1570
00:54:08,829 --> 00:53:43,190
electricity

1571
00:54:10,530 --> 00:54:08,839
[Music]

1572
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:10,540
a

1573
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:17,640
[Music]

1574
00:54:50,839 --> 00:55:00,520
sure

1575
00:55:18,870 --> 00:55:12,420
[Music]

1576
00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:21,190
no

1577
00:55:25,450 --> 00:55:25,250
[Music]

1578
00:55:32,829 --> 00:55:25,460
[Applause]

1579
00:55:46,829 --> 00:55:34,460
go

1580
00:55:46,839 --> 00:56:00,829
regular

1581
00:56:06,549 --> 00:56:03,030
so

1582
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:06,559
all right coming back in three two one

1583
00:56:12,710 --> 00:56:10,240
go all right welcome back

1584
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:12,720
this is martin willis and my guest

1585
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:13,440
tonight

1586
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,559
is lou elizondo and uh

1587
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:19,440
lou i'm so glad that uh i'm trying to

1588
00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:21,839
trust this three here here we go

1589
00:56:25,750 --> 00:56:23,920
so glad again that you could join us and

1590
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:25,760
i really do appreciate

1591
00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:27,359
you know you said that you'd be on a

1592
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:29,119
show with one listener it didn't matter

1593
00:56:31,750 --> 00:56:30,079
and i i do

1594
00:56:34,230 --> 00:56:31,760
i do believe that about you that you

1595
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:34,240
have that uh type of dedication

1596
00:56:37,670 --> 00:56:36,480
and um as bill said during the break

1597
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:37,680
sent me a text

1598
00:56:43,990 --> 00:56:41,359
um you are very well needed in this

1599
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:44,000
you know i think as long as i've been

1600
00:56:46,710 --> 00:56:45,359
looking into the topic which really

1601
00:56:47,750 --> 00:56:46,720
isn't that long compared to a lot of

1602
00:56:50,870 --> 00:56:47,760
people

1603
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:50,880
is uh it's really nice to see

1604
00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:54,400
things move forward and and move ahead

1605
00:56:59,670 --> 00:56:57,680
and going and seemingly the right

1606
00:57:00,950 --> 00:56:59,680
direction the word disclosure comes up a

1607
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,960
lot i don't know

1608
00:57:04,710 --> 00:57:02,640
um how you feel about that a lot of

1609
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,720
people must ask you that

1610
00:57:08,230 --> 00:57:06,319
do you think there'll be full disclosure

1611
00:57:10,390 --> 00:57:08,240
by the government you mentioned earlier

1612
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:10,400
if they landed on the white house lawn

1613
00:57:13,990 --> 00:57:12,240
and i've said a similar thing

1614
00:57:15,270 --> 00:57:14,000
how many people in the world would

1615
00:57:17,990 --> 00:57:15,280
believe it or not believe it

1616
00:57:19,030 --> 00:57:18,000
i mean you know there's like you said

1617
00:57:22,069 --> 00:57:19,040
someone can talk

1618
00:57:24,390 --> 00:57:22,079
uh a debunk somehow uh

1619
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:24,400
even if the president were to admit it

1620
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,359
it doesn't matter

1621
00:57:28,950 --> 00:57:27,040
i mean martin no offense but there's

1622
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:28,960
people that still believe the earth is

1623
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:29,599
flat

1624
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:31,359
and you know that's their prerogative

1625
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:33,440
and and privilege if they want to they

1626
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,480
want to believe that

1627
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,200
despite the overwhelming evidence that

1628
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:40,000
that's certainly not the case um you

1629
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,640
know so

1630
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:42,160
yeah there's always going to be people

1631
00:57:46,870 --> 00:57:43,680
that no matter what

1632
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,880
are not going to to to believe this and

1633
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,640
we i think we need to be patient because

1634
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:49,760
this is not a

1635
00:57:53,349 --> 00:57:51,599
you know we're not a we shouldn't be

1636
00:57:55,270 --> 00:57:53,359
approaching this as a

1637
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,280
see i told you we were right i told you

1638
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:56,720
so um you know

1639
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:58,400
and and thumbing our nose at somebody

1640
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:00,720
that that's not what this is about

1641
00:58:08,150 --> 00:58:04,559
uh you know the once disclosure

1642
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,160
actually occurs the real hard

1643
00:58:13,270 --> 00:58:10,400
conversation is going to begin

1644
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,280
um you know this is you know this is not

1645
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:15,920
necessarily a time to celebrate per se

1646
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:18,720
um i think it's it's it's we're entering

1647
00:58:22,230 --> 00:58:19,200
into

1648
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,240
to an age of acknowledgement uh but

1649
00:58:26,870 --> 00:58:24,640
but a lot more work's gonna be be needed

1650
00:58:28,470 --> 00:58:26,880
and i think what's important too is that

1651
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:28,480
you know there's a lot about this topic

1652
00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:30,400
that really isn't up to the government

1653
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:33,359
to disclose uh the government is only

1654
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:34,240
gonna be looking

1655
00:58:38,069 --> 00:58:36,240
at this through a very narrow lens of

1656
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:38,079
national security

1657
00:58:43,349 --> 00:58:41,280
um but anything beyond that that's

1658
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:43,359
that's up to us to have that's up to us

1659
00:58:47,589 --> 00:58:45,359
to have that conversation

1660
00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,599
as as the people we shouldn't be relying

1661
00:58:51,430 --> 00:58:48,720
on the government

1662
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:51,440
to to make decisions on our behalf on

1663
00:58:54,870 --> 00:58:53,119
the philosophical implications of this

1664
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:54,880
topic this is part of our problem we've

1665
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,880
become very lazy as a society

1666
00:59:00,549 --> 00:58:58,480
and we've relied too much on our

1667
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,559
government this is part of the problem

1668
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:02,400
we're relying our government to tell us

1669
00:59:06,230 --> 00:59:04,880
not only what what something is but how

1670
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:06,240
we should feel about it and what we

1671
00:59:09,589 --> 00:59:07,280
should think about it

1672
00:59:10,390 --> 00:59:09,599
and that to me is extremely dangerous it

1673
00:59:13,829 --> 00:59:10,400
that's up to

1674
00:59:15,270 --> 00:59:13,839
that decision

1675
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:15,280
don't put the government in the driver's

1676
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:16,880
seat of those those philosophical

1677
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,000
questions because

1678
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,000
it it's not a discussion that pertains

1679
00:59:22,630 --> 00:59:22,000
them it's a discussion that belongs to

1680
00:59:24,309 --> 00:59:22,640
us

1681
00:59:25,990 --> 00:59:24,319
and ultimately i think between our

1682
00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:26,000
academics and our scientists and our

1683
00:59:30,470 --> 00:59:28,240
philosophers and our theologians and

1684
00:59:31,670 --> 00:59:30,480
everybody lady dottie maybe maybe then

1685
00:59:34,390 --> 00:59:31,680
we'll be able to

1686
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:34,400
to figure this out but i i for one don't

1687
00:59:37,510 --> 00:59:35,760
feel comfortable

1688
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,520
putting this entire topic in the hands

1689
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,960
of our government i don't think it

1690
00:59:42,390 --> 00:59:40,240
should be there i think

1691
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,400
portions of it should but but there's

1692
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,240
portions that that should remain

1693
00:59:50,710 --> 00:59:46,720
outside government channels in my

1694
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:52,630
right um i've heard you say in a number

1695
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:54,720
of interviews people have brought up the

1696
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:57,200
recovered craft

1697
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:58,480
and you know there's a lot of people

1698
01:00:03,510 --> 01:00:00,640
that will say hey how the heck

1699
01:00:05,430 --> 01:00:03,520
can these crap you know travel the

1700
01:00:08,309 --> 01:00:05,440
universe or whatever it is they're doing

1701
01:00:09,510 --> 01:00:08,319
and get here and then somehow crash um

1702
01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,520
and i know you can't

1703
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,520
if you know something that's classified

1704
01:00:16,870 --> 01:00:13,280
i know you can't talk about it

1705
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:16,880
but um do you think it's possible that

1706
01:00:21,670 --> 01:00:20,000
they're somewhere there is this material

1707
01:00:24,549 --> 01:00:21,680
i think you've been asked that question

1708
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,710
yeah i stated for the record what my

1709
01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,079
belief is and

1710
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:31,520
uh simply put yes i believe that uh

1711
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:32,880
there are elements within the us

1712
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,079
government that are in possession of

1713
01:00:38,069 --> 01:00:35,680
some very exotic material that needs

1714
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,079
further analysis and study

1715
01:00:43,030 --> 01:00:40,720
and that is my my my personal belief

1716
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:43,040
based upon my personal observations

1717
01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:45,680
uh during my time in this program and

1718
01:00:50,789 --> 01:00:46,079
and

1719
01:00:54,150 --> 01:00:50,799
to be very careful not to

1720
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:54,160
to state uh something that really isn't

1721
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:54,640
up

1722
01:01:00,470 --> 01:00:58,480
to me to to to discuss

1723
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:00,480
um if the government is in possession of

1724
01:01:02,950 --> 01:01:02,000
something it then is up to the

1725
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:02,960
government

1726
01:01:07,349 --> 01:01:05,520
to make a determination uh how it wants

1727
01:01:08,710 --> 01:01:07,359
to let the american people know

1728
01:01:10,230 --> 01:01:08,720
and then if the american people are

1729
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,240
unsatisfied with that well then you know

1730
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,839
what we take it up with the government

1731
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,839
and you know we get new elected leaders

1732
01:01:17,030 --> 01:01:15,839
and we put people in office that we want

1733
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:17,040
there that are going to represent our

1734
01:01:19,990 --> 01:01:18,400
interests and make the government do

1735
01:01:22,309 --> 01:01:20,000
what we wanted to do

1736
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:22,319
um you know again another reason why i'm

1737
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:24,160
very very cautious

1738
01:01:28,630 --> 01:01:26,960
that that we put too much emphasis and

1739
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:28,640
reliance upon the government to tell us

1740
01:01:32,789 --> 01:01:30,000
what we want to hear

1741
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:32,799
um i i don't subscribe to that i think

1742
01:01:36,549 --> 01:01:34,559
that's very dangerous i think we're

1743
01:01:37,990 --> 01:01:36,559
we're giving away a lot of our our

1744
01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:38,000
rights and privileges when we do

1745
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,720
that i i think i think i'm a firm

1746
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:42,240
believer that the government

1747
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,760
is there to serve the people not the

1748
01:01:47,349 --> 01:01:45,520
other way around and the government is

1749
01:01:49,270 --> 01:01:47,359
there to do what we tell it to do

1750
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:49,280
and it's gonna it's gonna look at a

1751
01:01:52,069 --> 01:01:51,040
topic the way we think it should look at

1752
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:52,079
a topic

1753
01:01:55,829 --> 01:01:54,319
um ultimately that's that's the

1754
01:01:57,349 --> 01:01:55,839
definition of a democracy

1755
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,359
and and you have a representative

1756
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:59,440
government that's executing the will of

1757
01:02:02,230 --> 01:02:00,240
the people

1758
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,240
and i i feel very very strongly about

1759
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,240
that so as far as you're talking about

1760
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,799
crash retrievals et cetera

1761
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,160
you know that's that's really up to the

1762
01:02:12,230 --> 01:02:09,839
government to decide to

1763
01:02:13,109 --> 01:02:12,240
to to discuss what it it has and doesn't

1764
01:02:15,589 --> 01:02:13,119
have

1765
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:15,599
uh and that's true whether it's uh parts

1766
01:02:19,589 --> 01:02:17,039
of some sort of uh

1767
01:02:21,589 --> 01:02:19,599
um new technology from our foreign

1768
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:21,599
adversary that we happen to collect or a

1769
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,240
new

1770
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:24,480
type of part of a satellite platform or

1771
01:02:28,630 --> 01:02:25,599
a new part of

1772
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:28,640
a a uap ufo um

1773
01:02:32,069 --> 01:02:30,400
i i you know the government ultimately

1774
01:02:35,589 --> 01:02:32,079
is going to have to answer that

1775
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:35,599
uh i i i suspect that there is

1776
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,480
there is uh an effort underway right now

1777
01:02:43,589 --> 01:02:40,079
uh within the government to

1778
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:43,599
to to address that but specifically how

1779
01:02:50,710 --> 01:02:48,640
and by whom i i i can't elaborate

1780
01:02:52,950 --> 01:02:50,720
i've asked this question in particular

1781
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:52,960
to people have been on the show like an

1782
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:56,079
astrophysicist um harvey loeb and

1783
01:03:00,150 --> 01:02:59,440
a few other astronomers this particular

1784
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:00,160
question

1785
01:03:06,390 --> 01:03:03,440
and that is if if

1786
01:03:06,710 --> 01:03:06,400
let's just say that we are being visited

1787
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,720
by

1788
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,880
another intelligence and let's just say

1789
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:11,039
that we are being visited

1790
01:03:14,150 --> 01:03:13,440
from somewhere in the universe by

1791
01:03:17,430 --> 01:03:14,160
another

1792
01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:17,440
um intelligence and there were

1793
01:03:23,589 --> 01:03:20,799
uh there there are say billions of

1794
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:23,599
other planets out there that could house

1795
01:03:28,710 --> 01:03:25,520
intelligent life

1796
01:03:29,510 --> 01:03:28,720
um why us why would they why would we be

1797
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:29,520
so special

1798
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,960
why would they be visiting us why not us

1799
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,400
same question let me put that back in

1800
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,160
your lap why not us and

1801
01:03:39,430 --> 01:03:37,920
i'm not saying we're necessarily special

1802
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:39,440
we could be completely mundane and

1803
01:03:43,990 --> 01:03:40,559
routine

1804
01:03:46,549 --> 01:03:44,000
but we we as a species spend a

1805
01:03:48,549 --> 01:03:46,559
much of our time and attention looking

1806
01:03:50,549 --> 01:03:48,559
at the routine and mundane

1807
01:03:52,069 --> 01:03:50,559
and we we spend a lot of time with

1808
01:03:53,990 --> 01:03:52,079
biologically speaking and

1809
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:54,000
there's entire people that that dedicate

1810
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:56,000
their lives to to the study of insects

1811
01:03:58,069 --> 01:03:56,640
right

1812
01:03:59,750 --> 01:03:58,079
most people say an insect why would you

1813
01:04:00,630 --> 01:03:59,760
do that well because it's a it's a

1814
01:04:02,390 --> 01:04:00,640
living thing

1815
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:02,400
and it's important to the ecosystem and

1816
01:04:06,470 --> 01:04:04,400
everything has a role to play

1817
01:04:09,190 --> 01:04:06,480
and so whether you are a bovine

1818
01:04:12,870 --> 01:04:09,200
specialist or an equine specialist or

1819
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:12,880
or a human medical doctor we spend a lot

1820
01:04:15,589 --> 01:04:13,520
of time

1821
01:04:17,430 --> 01:04:15,599
studying biological organisms from the

1822
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:17,440
very very small to the very very large

1823
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:18,000
and

1824
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:21,200
if you have a a let's say a petri dish

1825
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,599
as you you stated earlier this hour

1826
01:04:27,829 --> 01:04:26,079
called earth with all sorts of

1827
01:04:29,670 --> 01:04:27,839
biomarkers

1828
01:04:31,349 --> 01:04:29,680
well there's probably a pretty good zoo

1829
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:31,359
to visit then if you want to take a look

1830
01:04:36,390 --> 01:04:32,880
at a lot of different species you know

1831
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:36,400
all in one place so um that's

1832
01:04:39,109 --> 01:04:37,760
that's my perspective anyways but

1833
01:04:40,950 --> 01:04:39,119
ultimately look at the end of the day we

1834
01:04:42,630 --> 01:04:40,960
don't know we don't know the intent

1835
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:42,640
we're looking at this from a humanistic

1836
01:04:45,670 --> 01:04:43,680
perspective that

1837
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:45,680
that the the curiosity we have is going

1838
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:47,039
to be the same thing that

1839
01:04:52,150 --> 01:04:49,680
something else has uh you know beyond

1840
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:52,160
our our solar system when in reality

1841
01:04:55,510 --> 01:04:53,760
that may not be true you know we're

1842
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:55,520
looking this through anthropomorphic

1843
01:04:58,789 --> 01:04:56,079
eyes

1844
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,799
because we're humans uh it could be a

1845
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,480
fundamentally different way of

1846
01:05:04,150 --> 01:05:02,400
thought processes that you know that

1847
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:04,160
that drive the motivation why something

1848
01:05:07,270 --> 01:05:05,599
would want to be here

1849
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,280
that's right i've said something similar

1850
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,039
to that many times and

1851
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,200
another thing is you know you think of

1852
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:12,960
back on the 20th century

1853
01:05:16,710 --> 01:05:14,559
we killed more people during that

1854
01:05:19,670 --> 01:05:16,720
century than ever on record

1855
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:19,680
and we're violent we're tribal and as uh

1856
01:05:23,589 --> 01:05:21,680
you know stanton friedman

1857
01:05:25,349 --> 01:05:23,599
would say you know we found the matches

1858
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:25,359
when we found nuclear

1859
01:05:31,270 --> 01:05:28,559
warheads when we figured that out

1860
01:05:33,270 --> 01:05:31,280
and if this is just a speculative

1861
01:05:35,510 --> 01:05:33,280
question if you had to guess why

1862
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:35,520
they're not making themselves being

1863
01:05:41,430 --> 01:05:40,549
again i guess i'd be asking you to think

1864
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,440
in human

1865
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:44,160
terms do you think that's why could be a

1866
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:45,839
possibility of why they're not is

1867
01:05:50,950 --> 01:05:48,559
because we are such a violent species

1868
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,960
well in human terms let's let's look at

1869
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,720
let's let's go down that that road for a

1870
01:05:56,870 --> 01:05:53,760
second

1871
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:56,880
when a biologist goes to africa uh

1872
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,640
and they're studying cheetahs they don't

1873
01:06:02,549 --> 01:06:00,319
go up there with with with

1874
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,559
cat food and and pet the thing you know

1875
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:04,400
they stand back about 50 yards off they

1876
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,520
might dart it

1877
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:07,280
and tranquilize it before they go near

1878
01:06:10,950 --> 01:06:08,880
it and then before the thing wakes up

1879
01:06:14,710 --> 01:06:10,960
they're they're gone man they split

1880
01:06:17,270 --> 01:06:14,720
uh because it is a wild animal and um

1881
01:06:18,549 --> 01:06:17,280
you know it could very well be that that

1882
01:06:19,270 --> 01:06:18,559
if you again looking at this through

1883
01:06:21,270 --> 01:06:19,280
human eyes

1884
01:06:22,470 --> 01:06:21,280
and which which may not be the case we

1885
01:06:24,950 --> 01:06:22,480
don't know

1886
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:24,960
um it could very well be that it's it's

1887
01:06:27,670 --> 01:06:26,799
just a matter of of due diligence and

1888
01:06:30,230 --> 01:06:27,680
precaution

1889
01:06:31,109 --> 01:06:30,240
you know we we behave exactly the same

1890
01:06:32,950 --> 01:06:31,119
way

1891
01:06:34,870 --> 01:06:32,960
when we're out in the wild and we're

1892
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:34,880
tagging and tracking animals whether

1893
01:06:41,190 --> 01:06:35,200
it's

1894
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:41,200
or uh wilder beasts that are on a great

1895
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:43,920
migration across the serengeti so

1896
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,280
i i i again to go back to from the human

1897
01:06:51,829 --> 01:06:49,839
perspective there's lots of reasons why

1898
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:51,839
uh a species would not want to interact

1899
01:06:55,029 --> 01:06:52,960
with us directly

1900
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:55,039
um look we're our own species and we

1901
01:06:57,270 --> 01:06:56,240
don't like to interact with each other

1902
01:06:58,630 --> 01:06:57,280
half the time

1903
01:06:59,990 --> 01:06:58,640
you know you just said to yourself we

1904
01:07:01,430 --> 01:07:00,000
come up with all these clever ways to

1905
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:01,440
destroy each other and rip each other

1906
01:07:04,789 --> 01:07:02,319
apart

1907
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:04,799
um you know chances are if there was a

1908
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:06,240
another species out there that was

1909
01:07:08,710 --> 01:07:07,280
looking at us

1910
01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:08,720
you know they probably want to stay at

1911
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,599
arm's length um i i get that

1912
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,359
yeah yeah even though they could

1913
01:07:16,870 --> 01:07:14,880
probably destroy us

1914
01:07:19,430 --> 01:07:16,880
if they wanted to maybe that's again not

1915
01:07:22,870 --> 01:07:19,440
in their way of thinking

1916
01:07:25,829 --> 01:07:22,880
um as far as the ufo um

1917
01:07:28,630 --> 01:07:25,839
as far as uf ufos the study of ufos do

1918
01:07:30,549 --> 01:07:28,640
you think it's possible that any of our

1919
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:30,559
adversaries may have

1920
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:32,400
more information on what these things

1921
01:07:37,029 --> 01:07:34,160
are than we have

1922
01:07:38,150 --> 01:07:37,039
and it also makes me wonder why we don't

1923
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,160
unify

1924
01:07:41,670 --> 01:07:40,640
in a situation like this martin therein

1925
01:07:44,870 --> 01:07:41,680
lies

1926
01:07:47,109 --> 01:07:44,880
the the real issue uh for me that

1927
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:47,119
we have we have a preponderance of

1928
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:48,720
evidence that suggests

1929
01:07:52,390 --> 01:07:50,240
other countries are looking into this

1930
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:52,400
phenomenon and and they're they're

1931
01:07:56,230 --> 01:07:54,240
they they may even possibly have a

1932
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,240
better understanding than we do

1933
01:08:02,870 --> 01:07:59,520
um if that is the case then

1934
01:08:06,309 --> 01:08:02,880
you know uh he who gets that that

1935
01:08:08,789 --> 01:08:06,319
that match first wins um that type of

1936
01:08:11,829 --> 01:08:08,799
technology in the hands of an adversary

1937
01:08:14,390 --> 01:08:11,839
uh you know could could make the the

1938
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:14,400
the atom bomb look like a firecracker uh

1939
01:08:17,749 --> 01:08:14,960
and

1940
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,759
uh you know that that concerns me

1941
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,679
because we we we

1942
01:08:23,189 --> 01:08:21,679
we're sitting on our laurels and we're

1943
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:23,199
just

1944
01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:26,000
we have a lot of stigma and taboo to to

1945
01:08:29,669 --> 01:08:28,159
paralyze the conversation

1946
01:08:31,189 --> 01:08:29,679
and while other countries are taking it

1947
01:08:33,590 --> 01:08:31,199
rather seriously

1948
01:08:35,510 --> 01:08:33,600
and that that is a concern for me and

1949
01:08:38,709 --> 01:08:35,520
now does it have the potential to unite

1950
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,719
i sure hope so uh because otherwise it's

1951
01:08:41,749 --> 01:08:39,920
not going to be a very good day for

1952
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:41,759
humanity i think

1953
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:43,600
i think it should unite us i think we

1954
01:08:47,269 --> 01:08:45,679
should find some some commonalities here

1955
01:08:48,789 --> 01:08:47,279
and rather than focus on the

1956
01:08:50,870 --> 01:08:48,799
10 percent of differences that we have

1957
01:08:51,430 --> 01:08:50,880
with other countries uh and other

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01:08:54,550 --> 01:08:51,440
nations

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01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:54,560
maybe we instead focus on the 90

1960
01:08:58,390 --> 01:08:56,640
that we have in common and maybe this

1961
01:09:00,789 --> 01:08:58,400
can be something to help unite us

1962
01:09:02,870 --> 01:09:00,799
uh there have been times in the past

1963
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,880
where you have for example climate

1964
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:03,520
change

1965
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,040
that has united great portions of the

1966
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,799
world to come together for a common

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01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:07,759
cause now

1968
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:09,839
uh it's not perfect and not everybody's

1969
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:11,040
going to get on board

1970
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:14,080
uh necessarily but but there are times

1971
01:09:17,829 --> 01:09:15,920
where we come together you know reagan

1972
01:09:20,709 --> 01:09:17,839
once said that that if there was ever

1973
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:20,719
president ronald reagan that if a ufo

1974
01:09:22,950 --> 01:09:21,199
had

1975
01:09:24,390 --> 01:09:22,960
landed here or you know there's a big

1976
01:09:26,950 --> 01:09:24,400
asteroid coming

1977
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,960
we would instantly be united as as a as

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01:09:31,829 --> 01:09:28,000
a world

1979
01:09:33,590 --> 01:09:31,839
um do i think that's practical possibly

1980
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,600
i think it's certainly possible i think

1981
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:35,440
when people realize there's

1982
01:09:38,550 --> 01:09:36,880
bigger issues we need to worry about

1983
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:38,560
than our own manufactured

1984
01:09:41,749 --> 01:09:40,239
drama and traumas that we create for

1985
01:09:43,829 --> 01:09:41,759
ourselves you know

1986
01:09:45,189 --> 01:09:43,839
yeah it could be it could be a hell of a

1987
01:09:46,709 --> 01:09:45,199
motivator for us to start working

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01:09:50,309 --> 01:09:46,719
together

1989
01:09:54,149 --> 01:09:50,319
right yeah all good um

1990
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,159
so this came in from also from

1991
01:09:58,870 --> 01:09:56,880
um someone over at the radio station

1992
01:10:01,590 --> 01:09:58,880
from your own personal perspective

1993
01:10:04,070 --> 01:10:01,600
on this issue would you endorse funding

1994
01:10:07,030 --> 01:10:04,080
to be allocated to military branches

1995
01:10:09,990 --> 01:10:07,040
and agencies to address the threat posed

1996
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,000
by these unidentified aerial phenomenon

1997
01:10:13,910 --> 01:10:12,239
absolutely but i would also dedicate an

1998
01:10:15,750 --> 01:10:13,920
equal amount if not greater amount of

1999
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,760
money to organizations like the national

2000
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:17,199
science foundation

2001
01:10:20,950 --> 01:10:19,840
uh to to also work on this this effort

2002
01:10:23,110 --> 01:10:20,960
to figure out

2003
01:10:24,229 --> 01:10:23,120
uh its full implications is there a

2004
01:10:26,390 --> 01:10:24,239
national security

2005
01:10:28,390 --> 01:10:26,400
piece to this yeah absolutely there is

2006
01:10:30,390 --> 01:10:28,400
but as i said before it's not only

2007
01:10:31,189 --> 01:10:30,400
national security there's other things

2008
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:31,199
that we could be

2009
01:10:36,550 --> 01:10:34,560
putting we could we could create a a a

2010
01:10:38,229 --> 01:10:36,560
a federal construct where we have the

2011
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:38,239
best and the brightest from academia in

2012
01:10:43,350 --> 01:10:39,760
the scientific community

2013
01:10:44,870 --> 01:10:43,360
department of energy uh nasa faa

2014
01:10:46,709 --> 01:10:44,880
department of defense the intelligence

2015
01:10:48,630 --> 01:10:46,719
community bring everybody

2016
01:10:50,390 --> 01:10:48,640
who's got a stake in this maybe there's

2017
01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:50,400
an international organization under the

2018
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:51,600
united nations

2019
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,280
uh where we can work collectively on

2020
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:55,120
this because this is ultimately a global

2021
01:10:58,709 --> 01:10:58,000
phenomenon not just a u.s phenomenon

2022
01:11:01,189 --> 01:10:58,719
right

2023
01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:01,199
um i wanted to uh i was trying to grab

2024
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,520
this screenshot i'll try to grab it now

2025
01:11:07,350 --> 01:11:05,040
because i thought i'd give you a little

2026
01:11:10,870 --> 01:11:07,360
bit of a a stump

2027
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:10,880
to uh to to talk about what i saw you

2028
01:11:15,669 --> 01:11:13,760
um go on twitter and announce today and

2029
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:15,679
i'm just going to pull that up right now

2030
01:11:22,550 --> 01:11:19,120
and i'll make it a full screen so

2031
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:22,560
um right here you said

2032
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,480
i like your pledge by the way but uh

2033
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,640
again and again you have to talk about

2034
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:30,800
this um

2035
01:11:34,390 --> 01:11:33,840
that people are asking you if you were

2036
01:11:37,430 --> 01:11:34,400
involved

2037
01:11:39,750 --> 01:11:37,440
in the um what was it a a w

2038
01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:39,760
s a p and you you look a little

2039
01:11:43,990 --> 01:11:42,080
frustrated when you talk about that

2040
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,000
and so if you want to go ahead and and

2041
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,880
talk about that and

2042
01:11:50,630 --> 01:11:48,960
sure well there's there's people that

2043
01:11:52,390 --> 01:11:50,640
have have for whatever reason

2044
01:11:53,910 --> 01:11:52,400
and i've made it abundantly clear over

2045
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,920
and over and over again and it looks

2046
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:55,760
like i have to do it yet again

2047
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,159
that think i was associated with the

2048
01:12:03,510 --> 01:12:00,320
with the ossat program when in reality

2049
01:12:04,709 --> 01:12:03,520
my my focus was atip i have i have

2050
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,719
stated that for the record

2051
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:07,520
for the last three years uh but there

2052
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:08,159
are people

2053
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,679
for some reason that are still confused

2054
01:12:13,830 --> 01:12:11,199
by that and and some of these

2055
01:12:15,750 --> 01:12:13,840
were i'll tell you were personal friends

2056
01:12:17,189 --> 01:12:15,760
so yeah it's frustrating

2057
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,199
but sometimes you know you have to

2058
01:12:19,990 --> 01:12:18,880
repeat things over and over again before

2059
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,000
it resonates

2060
01:12:26,310 --> 01:12:23,199
and and uh people people understand that

2061
01:12:29,110 --> 01:12:26,320
um my focus was was a tip um

2062
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:29,120
not asap asap was run by by my

2063
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,920
predecessor

2064
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:32,480
and and a contractor who by the way did

2065
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:34,159
it did a very good job with that

2066
01:12:38,709 --> 01:12:36,560
um why there's still confusion i don't

2067
01:12:40,709 --> 01:12:38,719
know yes it's a little frustrating

2068
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:40,719
um it's understandable but it's

2069
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:42,159
certainly never come from my mouth

2070
01:12:47,590 --> 01:12:45,679
and you know if if

2071
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,600
if i'm doing a favor for somebody by

2072
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,440
having to restate this again and again

2073
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:50,880
i'll do it again and again

2074
01:12:54,229 --> 01:12:53,520
but there should be no confusion my my

2075
01:12:57,189 --> 01:12:54,239
focus

2076
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:57,199
was was on atip and and not assat and

2077
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:58,480
again you can see that i know you

2078
01:13:01,270 --> 01:12:59,600
probably know this you've heard it a

2079
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:01,280
thousand times in other podcasts

2080
01:13:03,830 --> 01:13:02,640
but for whatever reason there are some

2081
01:13:05,669 --> 01:13:03,840
people that maybe never heard these

2082
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,679
podcasts never read an article

2083
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:07,760
uh and and for some reason still think

2084
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:11,040
i'm i'm associated with with asap

2085
01:13:16,630 --> 01:13:14,719
very good the nimitz case i mentioned

2086
01:13:18,790 --> 01:13:16,640
um in the text that i would talk a

2087
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:18,800
little bit about that and um

2088
01:13:22,630 --> 01:13:21,440
going back up to a i guess you'd call

2089
01:13:25,030 --> 01:13:22,640
him a skeptic or

2090
01:13:25,669 --> 01:13:25,040
debunker mick west you know mentioned

2091
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:25,679
that

2092
01:13:32,550 --> 01:13:28,960
were observing

2093
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:32,560
was an f 18 hornet um and

2094
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:35,120
basically i had i had kevin day on this

2095
01:13:38,790 --> 01:13:35,760
um

2096
01:13:40,550 --> 01:13:38,800
show basically saying his side of it and

2097
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,560
when i got back to mick he said yeah i

2098
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:42,880
kind of understand why i couldn't be

2099
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,400
because there are so many reasons why

2100
01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,000
not but i'd like

2101
01:13:49,830 --> 01:13:48,800
to talk a little bit about that case b

2102
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:49,840
is that

2103
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:54,640
program actually looked into deeply or

2104
01:14:01,510 --> 01:13:56,320
was it not contemporary enough that

2105
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:01,520
happened in 2004

2106
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,910
there we go sorry guys yeah uh i i

2107
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,440
have these really fat fingers and i'm on

2108
01:14:15,669 --> 01:14:13,440
this little tiny keypad i'm trying to

2109
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:15,679
disengage i'm sorry so so a tip uh i'm

2110
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:16,480
sorry so

2111
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,640
the nimitz incident occurred before the

2112
01:14:24,229 --> 01:14:20,400
a-tip program existed

2113
01:14:25,990 --> 01:14:24,239
however it was members of atip um

2114
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:26,000
and and later to be known as atip that

2115
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:28,400
conducted the investigation i i want to

2116
01:14:32,310 --> 01:14:29,760
be careful to not go into too much

2117
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,320
detail of of who prepared that report

2118
01:14:36,550 --> 01:14:35,440
uh but uh the individuals that that

2119
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:36,560
prepare that report

2120
01:14:43,110 --> 01:14:40,719
uh were later part of the a-tip program

2121
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:43,120
right um this is uh you know it's a

2122
01:14:46,550 --> 01:14:44,320
rendition it's not

2123
01:14:49,110 --> 01:14:46,560
it's not actually footage but you know i

2124
01:14:51,189 --> 01:14:49,120
have uh i had someone on this program

2125
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:51,199
that was actually on the either the

2126
01:14:55,669 --> 01:14:52,800
princeton or the nimitz

2127
01:14:56,709 --> 01:14:55,679
and they said they actually saw the hd

2128
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:56,719
video

2129
01:15:03,189 --> 01:14:59,840
of the tic tac is that something

2130
01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,199
that um usually someone in your position

2131
01:15:08,070 --> 01:15:05,760
would have an availability to see

2132
01:15:10,310 --> 01:15:08,080
uh yeah martin i don't want to discuss

2133
01:15:12,149 --> 01:15:10,320
if something hasn't been released yet or

2134
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:12,159
or is still in government possession i i

2135
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,080
don't want to elaborate on that

2136
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:17,679
uh only because um

2137
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,600
i'm not supposed to uh yeah bottom line

2138
01:15:22,709 --> 01:15:21,280
is that you know the government is in

2139
01:15:25,590 --> 01:15:22,719
possession of

2140
01:15:26,470 --> 01:15:25,600
more videos more photographs i'll leave

2141
01:15:28,550 --> 01:15:26,480
it at that

2142
01:15:30,390 --> 01:15:28,560
some of them are very compelling um but

2143
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:30,400
as to the specifics of high definition

2144
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,120
video

2145
01:15:36,149 --> 01:15:33,120
uh of certain instances and things like

2146
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:36,159
that i'm going to politely

2147
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,679
abstain from answering that question

2148
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,520
only because uh i

2149
01:15:43,189 --> 01:15:42,400
i don't know uh i don't know how far i

2150
01:15:45,430 --> 01:15:43,199
can go with that

2151
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:45,440
question um so i'm just gonna politely

2152
01:15:49,270 --> 01:15:46,239
uh uh

2153
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:49,280
sidestep that one yeah uh this one here

2154
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:52,960
um you know it's enhanced a bit but

2155
01:15:58,950 --> 01:15:56,239
a great image and i know a lot of people

2156
01:15:59,830 --> 01:15:58,960
claim that they have you know the answer

2157
01:16:03,030 --> 01:15:59,840
to what that is

2158
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,040
i'm sure you've heard it all um but

2159
01:16:06,390 --> 01:16:05,120
it would you would think and this is an

2160
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:06,400
argument i've heard out there a number

2161
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,840
of times you would think that

2162
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:10,480
if the government has at their

2163
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,360
fingertips

2164
01:16:15,669 --> 01:16:14,080
all this technology and can figure out

2165
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:15,679
what things are

2166
01:16:18,790 --> 01:16:17,440
why would they release that saying that

2167
01:16:20,709 --> 01:16:18,800
was unidentified

2168
01:16:21,990 --> 01:16:20,719
that is currently one of the real

2169
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,000
unidentified

2170
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,040
videos correct yes correct yeah

2171
01:16:28,630 --> 01:16:26,719
yeah i mean they said it themselves it

2172
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:28,640
is unidentified uh

2173
01:16:34,149 --> 01:16:31,840
and it's you know uh again you can have

2174
01:16:35,270 --> 01:16:34,159
armchair quarterbacks all day long talk

2175
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,280
about you know

2176
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,960
lens flare and artifacts and all that

2177
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:38,880
stuff but in reality that's not the case

2178
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,480
it's it's a real object it's doing

2179
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:42,640
something interesting and it's remains

2180
01:16:45,830 --> 01:16:43,600
unidentified

2181
01:16:46,630 --> 01:16:45,840
and the reason why is because uh you

2182
01:16:48,390 --> 01:16:46,640
know you

2183
01:16:50,790 --> 01:16:48,400
it's important in the context of the

2184
01:16:52,550 --> 01:16:50,800
conversation to recognize

2185
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:52,560
rarely do you just have one collection

2186
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:53,920
sensor on site

2187
01:16:57,669 --> 01:16:55,840
usually you have all sorts of collection

2188
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:57,679
sensors a suite if you will

2189
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:01,360
available to you to to collect telemetry

2190
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:05,440
and uh elent electronics emissions and

2191
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,640
intelligence and

2192
01:17:09,830 --> 01:17:09,520
and measurements intelligence masens and

2193
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,840
uh

2194
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,679
signals intelligence and all that all

2195
01:17:14,709 --> 01:17:12,960
the different ways of collecting

2196
01:17:17,350 --> 01:17:14,719
information about something so

2197
01:17:18,070 --> 01:17:17,360
you know again it's it's um a picture

2198
01:17:21,189 --> 01:17:18,080
may be worth

2199
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,199
a thousand words but uh the rest of

2200
01:17:24,149 --> 01:17:22,640
intelligence is probably worth about a

2201
01:17:25,669 --> 01:17:24,159
million words and that's why it's so

2202
01:17:27,590 --> 01:17:25,679
important because the more

2203
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,600
the more capability you bring to bear on

2204
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:29,199
a particular incident

2205
01:17:32,950 --> 01:17:31,760
the more fidelity you have of a

2206
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:32,960
particular incident

2207
01:17:36,310 --> 01:17:34,719
and that's that's what makes that

2208
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:36,320
equally compelling it's not just

2209
01:17:39,750 --> 01:17:37,920
necessarily a video it's

2210
01:17:42,950 --> 01:17:39,760
it's the circumstances leading up to the

2211
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:42,960
video and what happened after as well

2212
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:44,560
right there were so many things that

2213
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:46,239
went on and one of the things that mick

2214
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:47,280
west

2215
01:17:54,630 --> 01:17:50,480
um had said is that he thought it was uh

2216
01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:54,640
um the f-18 was trying to the floor was

2217
01:17:59,430 --> 01:17:55,840
trying to get a lock on

2218
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:59,440
on the f-18 and uh you know my

2219
01:18:02,709 --> 01:18:01,920
argument or my thoughts right away were

2220
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:02,719
that

2221
01:18:08,390 --> 01:18:06,960
would know right away as soon as there

2222
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:08,400
was a lock on them

2223
01:18:12,070 --> 01:18:10,560
you know and and then there's the

2224
01:18:13,669 --> 01:18:12,080
transponders and there's

2225
01:18:16,070 --> 01:18:13,679
all the identification equipment

2226
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:16,080
equipment that the um

2227
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,040
that the camera uh would have uh

2228
01:18:21,430 --> 01:18:20,560
recognized right away with the other

2229
01:18:24,709 --> 01:18:21,440
sensors

2230
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:24,719
um so anyway that is a spectacular case

2231
01:18:28,390 --> 01:18:27,120
and i'm sure you get asked this quite

2232
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:28,400
often

2233
01:18:32,550 --> 01:18:30,880
um do you have a favorite case or one

2234
01:18:35,350 --> 01:18:32,560
that you think is the most compelling

2235
01:18:36,229 --> 01:18:35,360
that is known by the public well that's

2236
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:36,239
like asking me if i have

2237
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:40,400
a favorite child you know um

2238
01:18:47,590 --> 01:18:44,080
well do you have a favorite kid they uh

2239
01:18:49,270 --> 01:18:47,600
no i love my kids equally and

2240
01:18:51,110 --> 01:18:49,280
sometimes sometimes i can't stand them

2241
01:18:53,189 --> 01:18:51,120
equally too

2242
01:18:54,630 --> 01:18:53,199
that's all you know yeah no i'm kidding

2243
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:54,640
my my my kids are the greatest

2244
01:18:59,189 --> 01:18:55,840
accomplishment of my life

2245
01:19:01,669 --> 01:18:59,199
uh you know i'll never be able to to to

2246
01:19:03,189 --> 01:19:01,679
obtain any any any uh anything greater

2247
01:19:06,229 --> 01:19:03,199
than that so i'm an

2248
01:19:09,430 --> 01:19:06,239
incredibly lucky father um as far as the

2249
01:19:12,070 --> 01:19:09,440
the my favorite case you know they're

2250
01:19:12,630 --> 01:19:12,080
they all have have have uniqueness about

2251
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,640
them

2252
01:19:16,950 --> 01:19:14,800
and i think for me it's because they

2253
01:19:18,630 --> 01:19:16,960
don't all fit in a particular mold

2254
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:18,640
why they're so interesting and

2255
01:19:21,430 --> 01:19:20,080
compelling to me because as an

2256
01:19:22,950 --> 01:19:21,440
intelligence officer

2257
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,960
we're trained to find patterns we're

2258
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:24,480
trained to find you know create this

2259
01:19:26,550 --> 01:19:25,280
mosaic

2260
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,560
it's like putting together a jigsaw

2261
01:19:30,149 --> 01:19:28,640
puzzle and eventually you have enough

2262
01:19:31,669 --> 01:19:30,159
pieces on the on the

2263
01:19:33,430 --> 01:19:31,679
on the table where you can you can make

2264
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,440
a picture you know what it is

2265
01:19:37,510 --> 01:19:35,679
but this is not that way this is this is

2266
01:19:37,910 --> 01:19:37,520
far more intriguing this is almost like

2267
01:19:57,669 --> 01:19:37,920
a

2268
01:19:59,350 --> 01:19:57,679
picture of of of

2269
01:20:00,870 --> 01:19:59,360
what it is we may be looking at all of a

2270
01:20:02,950 --> 01:20:00,880
sudden there's this whole other

2271
01:20:04,149 --> 01:20:02,960
dimension to the jigsaw puzzle now that

2272
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:04,159
doesn't fit so

2273
01:20:08,149 --> 01:20:06,000
it might fit here but on the opposite

2274
01:20:11,990 --> 01:20:08,159
side now those pieces don't fit

2275
01:20:15,189 --> 01:20:12,000
um and so it's it's uh it it really is

2276
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:15,199
it it's it's it's intriguing um it's

2277
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:16,719
it's it's really one one hell of a

2278
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:17,520
mystery

2279
01:20:20,310 --> 01:20:18,800
and then when you finally get to the

2280
01:20:21,669 --> 01:20:20,320
point where you do find some pieces that

2281
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:21,679
fit and you start seeing a bit of a

2282
01:20:24,070 --> 01:20:22,480
picture

2283
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:24,080
you know there's this realization that

2284
01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:25,840
wow you know this is this

2285
01:20:29,910 --> 01:20:28,400
really is some some pretty incredible

2286
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:29,920
technology

2287
01:20:36,070 --> 01:20:33,040
when you were doing research at atip

2288
01:20:36,790 --> 01:20:36,080
were you able or did you have uh an

2289
01:20:39,030 --> 01:20:36,800
interest

2290
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:39,040
in historic cases or did you have to

2291
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:40,000
stay away from that

2292
01:20:43,270 --> 01:20:41,840
and just work on what you had the

2293
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:43,280
freshest data on

2294
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:45,040
yeah mark we stayed away from historical

2295
01:20:47,669 --> 01:20:46,639
cases i know people are going to be up

2296
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:47,679
in arms and say no

2297
01:20:51,430 --> 01:20:49,760
how can you do that well because we

2298
01:20:53,110 --> 01:20:51,440
didn't have the fidelity of information

2299
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,120
available to us you can't look at a case

2300
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:54,719
from the 1950s

2301
01:21:00,390 --> 01:20:58,000
uh with with the same lens that you do

2302
01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:00,400
today's day and age because we have the

2303
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:03,520
the the the pervasiveness of technology

2304
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,560
and the and the sophistication is

2305
01:21:10,550 --> 01:21:08,880
is you know say forgive the pun light

2306
01:21:13,669 --> 01:21:10,560
years ahead of where it was

2307
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:13,679
uh in the 50s and 60s and 70s in the 80s

2308
01:21:18,149 --> 01:21:16,560
we've come so far and so for us we had

2309
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:18,159
enough information

2310
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,080
uh where we could look at the cases

2311
01:21:23,350 --> 01:21:21,280
right here and now

2312
01:21:25,270 --> 01:21:23,360
because they they were frequent enough

2313
01:21:26,310 --> 01:21:25,280
where we were busy looking at these

2314
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,320
things

2315
01:21:30,550 --> 01:21:28,719
also we had we were very we were very

2316
01:21:32,149 --> 01:21:30,560
limited we had to be focused only on the

2317
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:32,159
military aspects we weren't really

2318
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,120
focused

2319
01:21:37,590 --> 01:21:35,760
uh later on in the uh in the civilian

2320
01:21:38,470 --> 01:21:37,600
cases it was it was primarily military

2321
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:38,480
cases

2322
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:41,440
um and those that affecting uh you know

2323
01:21:45,990 --> 01:21:43,440
military-controlled airspace

2324
01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:46,000
so uh we were plenty busy with just just

2325
01:21:48,709 --> 01:21:47,040
that um

2326
01:21:51,350 --> 01:21:48,719
yes there were people there that knew

2327
01:21:53,110 --> 01:21:51,360
anecdotally some historical stuff but

2328
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:53,120
but that wasn't overly helpful because i

2329
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,719
couldn't go to the boss and say hey boss

2330
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:56,000
guess what you know here's this old case

2331
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:56,960
from 1950s

2332
01:22:00,229 --> 01:21:58,400
isn't this interesting he's going to

2333
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,239
look at me he's going to say

2334
01:22:04,629 --> 01:22:03,360
okay that was 60 years ago what have you

2335
01:22:07,510 --> 01:22:04,639
done for me lately

2336
01:22:07,990 --> 01:22:07,520
so um you know it's far more when you

2337
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:08,000
can show

2338
01:22:16,470 --> 01:22:14,560
some other uh uh data

2339
01:22:17,990 --> 01:22:16,480
that you can collect on site sometimes

2340
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,000
from different platforms

2341
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,719
in the area you know now you've got a a

2342
01:22:24,390 --> 01:22:22,400
pretty good triangulation of of

2343
01:22:26,149 --> 01:22:24,400
of something that is in in your airspace

2344
01:22:27,750 --> 01:22:26,159
that is behaving in a way that

2345
01:22:29,430 --> 01:22:27,760
quite frankly doesn't really make much

2346
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,440
sense um that

2347
01:22:33,750 --> 01:22:32,000
that is is is more helpful when you go

2348
01:22:36,149 --> 01:22:33,760
to leadership with something like that

2349
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,159
um then you know taking the cold case

2350
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,639
from the 1950s that

2351
01:22:41,750 --> 01:22:40,560
really there's no there there's nothing

2352
01:22:43,030 --> 01:22:41,760
else there that you

2353
01:22:44,950 --> 01:22:43,040
the data is in front of you and that's

2354
01:22:45,830 --> 01:22:44,960
all you have you can't pull any more

2355
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:45,840
data because

2356
01:22:52,390 --> 01:22:48,960
that data doesn't exist when you

2357
01:22:55,830 --> 01:22:52,400
left a tip was there

2358
01:22:56,870 --> 01:22:55,840
any debriefing like anything said to you

2359
01:23:00,070 --> 01:22:56,880
like you can't

2360
01:23:02,149 --> 01:23:00,080
speak about this anything like that yeah

2361
01:23:04,149 --> 01:23:02,159
i was told i can't discuss classified

2362
01:23:05,590 --> 01:23:04,159
information you know they reminded me ad

2363
01:23:06,950 --> 01:23:05,600
nauseum about my

2364
01:23:08,950 --> 01:23:06,960
about my non-disclosure agreement with

2365
01:23:10,550 --> 01:23:08,960
the united states government uh when you

2366
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:10,560
have a top secret security clearance

2367
01:23:13,510 --> 01:23:11,280
along with the

2368
01:23:14,550 --> 01:23:13,520
the other stuff involved with it i won't

2369
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,560
go into detail

2370
01:23:18,950 --> 01:23:16,800
uh different programs and attributes you

2371
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:18,960
know you it's a lifelong

2372
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:20,480
commitment you've made it's like a

2373
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,239
marriage you know

2374
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:23,840
but in this case you know if you if you

2375
01:23:26,790 --> 01:23:26,159
break your vow it's not a divorce you go

2376
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:26,800
to jail

2377
01:23:30,790 --> 01:23:29,520
so yeah you know it it's pretty serious

2378
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,800
the consequences are

2379
01:23:34,870 --> 01:23:33,120
are severe for those who step out of

2380
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,880
rank and and decide to divulge

2381
01:23:38,070 --> 01:23:36,239
classified information it's called an

2382
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,080
unauthorized disclosure

2383
01:23:42,629 --> 01:23:40,960
so uh you know that's that's that's why

2384
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:42,639
i'm always very careful if i say

2385
01:23:47,350 --> 01:23:45,440
one wrong word i can find myself in a

2386
01:23:48,790 --> 01:23:47,360
lot of hot water so i'm very very

2387
01:23:50,390 --> 01:23:48,800
careful to make sure that i don't you

2388
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:50,400
know i don't cross those

2389
01:23:54,070 --> 01:23:52,400
those lines yeah but those people

2390
01:23:57,510 --> 01:23:54,080
wouldn't be watching this podcast if you

2391
01:24:00,390 --> 01:23:57,520
want to disclose anything go ahead

2392
01:24:00,950 --> 01:24:00,400
you go you're going to visit me in jail

2393
01:24:03,030 --> 01:24:00,960
i'll put

2394
01:24:05,430 --> 01:24:03,040
the hacksaw blade in the cake i'll bring

2395
01:24:06,790 --> 01:24:05,440
a cake yeah

2396
01:24:08,870 --> 01:24:06,800
i don't look good in orange i can tell

2397
01:24:11,910 --> 01:24:08,880
you so uh you know

2398
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:11,920
i'll uh i'll i'll pass on that okay

2399
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:14,800
all right well um you know i think i'm

2400
01:24:17,430 --> 01:24:15,440
going to

2401
01:24:20,149 --> 01:24:17,440
open the lines because people are trying

2402
01:24:23,030 --> 01:24:20,159
to call already and i want to ask

2403
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,040
people that are calling to please be

2404
01:24:27,990 --> 01:24:25,280
very respectful

2405
01:24:30,070 --> 01:24:28,000
and no games or anything and if anyone

2406
01:24:32,470 --> 01:24:30,080
does play any games or anything

2407
01:24:33,990 --> 01:24:32,480
you'll get a click so i'm going to also

2408
01:24:36,629 --> 01:24:34,000
martin real quick if my

2409
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,639
my bluetooth drops out i will i have

2410
01:24:39,590 --> 01:24:38,320
another emergency pair here i'll just

2411
01:24:41,990 --> 01:24:39,600
plug in directly

2412
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:42,000
um it usually has about a two hour life

2413
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,800
but

2414
01:24:46,229 --> 01:24:44,480
the more i yammer the more the more

2415
01:24:48,550 --> 01:24:46,239
battery it chews up so

2416
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:48,560
forgive me if it goes out i'll just plug

2417
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:49,280
and play

2418
01:24:55,510 --> 01:24:52,480
okay sure all right so that number is

2419
01:24:57,510 --> 01:24:55,520
uh oh okay that number is

2420
01:24:58,950 --> 01:24:57,520
eight five five four seven two five four

2421
01:25:00,950 --> 01:24:58,960
eight three and um

2422
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:00,960
i'm going to also pop up see if there's

2423
01:25:03,510 --> 01:25:03,040
if anyone wants to ask a question i have

2424
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,520
not

2425
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,360
been paid paying attention at all of

2426
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:07,360
chat we have a lot of people in here

2427
01:25:10,390 --> 01:25:09,760
uh right now uh watching live quite a

2428
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:10,400
few

2429
01:25:18,950 --> 01:25:15,920
so um again that number is 855-472-5483

2430
01:25:22,229 --> 01:25:18,960
and i'll be taking your calls uh

2431
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,239
for questions for lou um what's what's

2432
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:24,000
like the number one

2433
01:25:27,030 --> 01:25:25,760
thing that people ask you when they find

2434
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:27,040
out what you did

2435
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:29,120
i mean is it like can you share any

2436
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:30,800
secret is that is that the first thing

2437
01:25:32,790 --> 01:25:31,679
they ask you

2438
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:32,800
i'm talking about like the average

2439
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,520
person usually the the first

2440
01:25:38,709 --> 01:25:37,040
response is you mean you're telling me

2441
01:25:40,070 --> 01:25:38,719
it's real and then usually the second

2442
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:40,080
response is

2443
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:43,679
so do we have uh ufos at uh area 51

2444
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:45,440
that's usually the second question right

2445
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:46,880
on the heels of that one

2446
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,960
yeah well that's interesting and i'm

2447
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:51,199
sure you've heard about

2448
01:25:55,430 --> 01:25:54,159
when i think it was i can't remember his

2449
01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,440
name right now on him

2450
01:25:58,470 --> 01:25:57,360
it's just slipping my mind but um the

2451
01:26:00,950 --> 01:25:58,480
skunk works

2452
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:00,960
he said that it's possible we could you

2453
01:26:03,990 --> 01:26:01,600
know uh

2454
01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:04,000
send e.t home at this point i mean do

2455
01:26:08,310 --> 01:26:06,000
you think there's any viability in

2456
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:08,320
what the technology is you know this is

2457
01:26:11,830 --> 01:26:10,159
another speculative question

2458
01:26:15,110 --> 01:26:11,840
what our technology is that we don't

2459
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,470
well we don't know what we don't know

2460
01:26:20,470 --> 01:26:18,400
right so uh

2461
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:20,480
we can speculate all day long i think

2462
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:21,520
one thing that we

2463
01:26:26,629 --> 01:26:24,800
we can certainly recognize is that um

2464
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,639
you know science our understanding of

2465
01:26:32,229 --> 01:26:29,120
science continues to evolve and

2466
01:26:33,110 --> 01:26:32,239
and evolves quickly uh based upon

2467
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:33,120
observations

2468
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:34,320
and things that we thought were

2469
01:26:38,470 --> 01:26:36,960
impossible in the past we continue

2470
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,480
to prove ourselves wrong there was a

2471
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:40,320
time where where we never thought we'd

2472
01:26:43,430 --> 01:26:41,840
break the sound barrier there was a time

2473
01:26:45,189 --> 01:26:43,440
where we never thought we could

2474
01:26:47,430 --> 01:26:45,199
uh make the quarter mile run in less

2475
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,440
than four seconds there was a time where

2476
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,600
we thought well that four minute was

2477
01:26:54,390 --> 01:26:51,679
running i'm talking quarter mile with a

2478
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:54,400
drag race car oh hra sure sorry i'm a

2479
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:55,280
gearhead right

2480
01:26:59,750 --> 01:26:58,320
so my days of running are over i i only

2481
01:27:03,189 --> 01:26:59,760
run when i'm being chased

2482
01:27:04,950 --> 01:27:03,199
i prefer uh gearhead talk so i apologize

2483
01:27:06,790 --> 01:27:04,960
um but there was a time where where

2484
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:06,800
people thought we couldn't um you know

2485
01:27:09,590 --> 01:27:08,000
all the things that we have been

2486
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:09,600
speculated before that we would never be

2487
01:27:15,350 --> 01:27:10,480
able to do

2488
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:15,360
ourselves wrong constantly

2489
01:27:20,790 --> 01:27:18,719
so if there is if there is uh one thing

2490
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:20,800
that i think we can say conclusively is

2491
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,360
that

2492
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,440
we we definitely don't don't have all

2493
01:27:28,550 --> 01:27:25,760
the answers yet nor do we understand

2494
01:27:30,070 --> 01:27:28,560
uh physics and nature yet uh as much as

2495
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,080
we would like to think we do

2496
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,800
i i agree with that um our lines are

2497
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,480
stacked our lines are full so we're

2498
01:27:38,310 --> 01:27:35,840
going to start out with uh

2499
01:27:40,390 --> 01:27:38,320
garcia los angeles welcome to the show

2500
01:27:42,629 --> 01:27:40,400
garcia

2501
01:27:44,550 --> 01:27:42,639
hi hi there welcome to the show you're

2502
01:27:47,910 --> 01:27:44,560
live

2503
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:47,920
hey guys how are you uh hi luis uh

2504
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:51,280
pleasure to be on um uh with you guys

2505
01:27:56,709 --> 01:27:54,560
um a really quick question so

2506
01:27:58,709 --> 01:27:56,719
uh i don't want to be speculative and i

2507
01:28:00,070 --> 01:27:58,719
don't want anybody to

2508
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,080
think that i'm being speculative either

2509
01:28:05,830 --> 01:28:02,159
but do we louise do we

2510
01:28:09,590 --> 01:28:05,840
know whether uh these

2511
01:28:12,709 --> 01:28:09,600
uh phenomenon are from different sources

2512
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:12,719
or have we identified one source what

2513
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,520
i'm what i mean

2514
01:28:18,149 --> 01:28:16,800
is um you know are they coming from

2515
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:18,159
different places

2516
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:21,280
or are they just uh we know they come

2517
01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:22,960
from one place

2518
01:28:26,709 --> 01:28:25,520
good question so first garcia thank you

2519
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:26,719
very much for tuning in

2520
01:28:37,750 --> 01:28:36,229
i think uh you know i i think it's too

2521
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,760
early to tell i think there's a lot of

2522
01:28:43,110 --> 01:28:40,000
speculation in that regard

2523
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:43,120
we are um we are very

2524
01:28:46,550 --> 01:28:45,040
cautious not to to jump to any

2525
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,560
conclusions um

2526
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:49,120
we have not begun yet to ascertain the

2527
01:28:52,550 --> 01:28:50,400
sources

2528
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:52,560
of these things again our focus was very

2529
01:28:59,510 --> 01:28:55,360
simple what is it and how does it work

2530
01:29:01,270 --> 01:28:59,520
uh and um we we really don't know and

2531
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:01,280
and again the possibilities are really

2532
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,760
endless

2533
01:29:05,510 --> 01:29:03,840
uh you know we tend to think and think

2534
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:05,520
in terms of binary so

2535
01:29:09,669 --> 01:29:07,360
you know it's either from earth or from

2536
01:29:10,790 --> 01:29:09,679
outer space and what we're realizing is

2537
01:29:12,629 --> 01:29:10,800
that's false logic

2538
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,639
that that may not even be the case at

2539
01:29:15,910 --> 01:29:14,159
all um there's all sorts of

2540
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,920
possibilities in between

2541
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:17,520
uh where these things could be coming

2542
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:19,520
from uh and where they are from

2543
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,199
and may not just be one it might be

2544
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:25,520
several different types or it could be

2545
01:29:28,470 --> 01:29:26,880
these vehicles are from

2546
01:29:30,229 --> 01:29:28,480
a single source but are used for a

2547
01:29:31,669 --> 01:29:30,239
different utility or used for different

2548
01:29:34,470 --> 01:29:31,679
purposes think of a

2549
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,480
uh think of a sports car versus a

2550
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:35,840
tractor-trailer truck

2551
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,960
versus an aircraft carrier and it could

2552
01:29:42,870 --> 01:29:39,679
be a simple

2553
01:29:44,790 --> 01:29:42,880
uh principle of design and function so

2554
01:29:46,310 --> 01:29:44,800
to to try to answer your question as as

2555
01:29:49,030 --> 01:29:46,320
best i can

2556
01:29:49,750 --> 01:29:49,040
it's it's not an easy answer and i don't

2557
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,760
think we have an

2558
01:29:53,590 --> 01:29:51,040
answer yet i think there's a lot of

2559
01:29:57,189 --> 01:29:53,600
people who speculate that we do

2560
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,199
but from from from from what i've seen

2561
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:00,400
we really don't know the origin yet

2562
01:30:05,510 --> 01:30:02,000
and so everything's all options are on

2563
01:30:07,750 --> 01:30:05,520
the table until they're no longer on the

2564
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,760
that's table great question thank you

2565
01:30:12,229 --> 01:30:08,719
thank you for that

2566
01:30:16,070 --> 01:30:12,239
i appreciate that all right garcia

2567
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:16,080
it's a pleasure yeah um

2568
01:30:19,910 --> 01:30:18,080
there the other term i've heard of shock

2569
01:30:21,990 --> 01:30:19,920
valet says they could be a number of

2570
01:30:24,310 --> 01:30:22,000
different things all at the same time

2571
01:30:25,189 --> 01:30:24,320
which is uh or beyond our understanding

2572
01:30:27,270 --> 01:30:25,199
even if

2573
01:30:29,270 --> 01:30:27,280
we were told what they were which i

2574
01:30:31,350 --> 01:30:29,280
think is interesting and uh

2575
01:30:32,550 --> 01:30:31,360
um you know what is the right question

2576
01:30:33,669 --> 01:30:32,560
to ask and all that

2577
01:30:35,830 --> 01:30:33,679
and we don't even know the right

2578
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:35,840
question so we have rob

2579
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:38,480
from sarasota florida welcome to the

2580
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,960
show rob

2581
01:30:44,950 --> 01:30:42,880
uh martin good evening and thank you so

2582
01:30:45,590 --> 01:30:44,960
much for the opportunity and mr elizondo

2583
01:30:49,430 --> 01:30:45,600
it's

2584
01:30:53,510 --> 01:30:49,440
great to speak to you go rams right

2585
01:30:56,229 --> 01:30:53,520
yeah yeah exactly riverview

2586
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:56,239
yes sir uh one factor i want to bring

2587
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:57,920
your attention you know

2588
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:00,960
the nimitz tic-tac event out there in my

2589
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,000
research i found

2590
01:31:05,270 --> 01:31:04,560
something that might be a factor of why

2591
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:05,280
those

2592
01:31:12,870 --> 01:31:08,639
you ever heard of naval

2593
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:12,880
operation wigwam operation wigwam

2594
01:31:16,790 --> 01:31:14,560
you know i'm not familiar with wigwam

2595
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:16,800
was that a uh is that an electronic

2596
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,520
warfare

2597
01:31:21,510 --> 01:31:20,080
uh scenario uh that that's run out there

2598
01:31:23,350 --> 01:31:21,520
in the training area i'm not familiar

2599
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:23,360
with wigwam

2600
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:26,560
roger no it's not uh they detonated a 30

2601
01:31:31,030 --> 01:31:27,600
kiloton

2602
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:31,040
nuclear weapon fleet feet below the

2603
01:31:34,950 --> 01:31:32,000
surface

2604
01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:34,960
400 miles southwest of san diego now the

2605
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:37,520
tic tac was about 100 miles southwest

2606
01:31:40,790 --> 01:31:39,600
of san diego so as quickly as these

2607
01:31:43,189 --> 01:31:40,800
craft move

2608
01:31:44,709 --> 01:31:43,199
they were in that vicinity and we know

2609
01:31:46,709 --> 01:31:44,719
how these craft have had

2610
01:31:47,750 --> 01:31:46,719
such an interest in our nuclear

2611
01:31:49,750 --> 01:31:47,760
activities

2612
01:31:51,270 --> 01:31:49,760
they may have been very curious as to

2613
01:31:52,149 --> 01:31:51,280
why they're detecting underwater

2614
01:31:54,470 --> 01:31:52,159
radiation

2615
01:31:55,510 --> 01:31:54,480
from because there's radiated objects on

2616
01:31:57,350 --> 01:31:55,520
the bottom barges

2617
01:31:58,870 --> 01:31:57,360
yeah that's fascinating can you tell me

2618
01:32:00,070 --> 01:31:58,880
again one more time the yield of that of

2619
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:00,080
the kiloton yield

2620
01:32:04,229 --> 01:32:03,440
that was part of wigwam thirty three

2621
01:32:06,790 --> 01:32:04,239
zero

2622
01:32:09,030 --> 01:32:06,800
thirty kilotons so that's roughly uh

2623
01:32:11,189 --> 01:32:09,040
four times larger than what we had on uh

2624
01:32:12,550 --> 01:32:11,199
hiroshima which was a 13 kiloton so

2625
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,560
that's pretty sizable

2626
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:14,000
do you know that again i'm going to ask

2627
01:32:17,669 --> 01:32:15,760
you a dumb question here was it was

2628
01:32:20,390 --> 01:32:17,679
do you know the approximate depth that

2629
01:32:23,990 --> 01:32:20,400
that was uh detonated

2630
01:32:27,430 --> 01:32:24,000
yes 2000 feet oh wow okay

2631
01:32:31,590 --> 01:32:29,110
yep a lot of good videos they

2632
01:32:32,870 --> 01:32:31,600
declassified a lot of the uh the film

2633
01:32:35,189 --> 01:32:32,880
from that period of time

2634
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:35,199
it's fascinating and i'll send some

2635
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,800
information to martin that he can

2636
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:38,000
forward to you but

2637
01:32:42,149 --> 01:32:40,239
you know what i i saw the wigwam i i

2638
01:32:43,189 --> 01:32:42,159
actually ran into a veteran who was out

2639
01:32:45,110 --> 01:32:43,199
there in a ship

2640
01:32:47,110 --> 01:32:45,120
and he told me about it and then when i

2641
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:47,120
saw the tic tac i said they're right out

2642
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:48,480
in that vicinity because

2643
01:32:52,950 --> 01:32:51,600
yeah you know rob that's a really rob

2644
01:32:53,350 --> 01:32:52,960
that's a really interesting point one of

2645
01:32:56,870 --> 01:32:53,360
the

2646
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:56,880
that we can say

2647
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,480
uh uh almost almost definitively

2648
01:33:03,510 --> 01:33:01,920
is that there does appear to be some

2649
01:33:04,790 --> 01:33:03,520
sort of nuclear connection and if you

2650
01:33:07,110 --> 01:33:04,800
look at the nimitz uh

2651
01:33:07,990 --> 01:33:07,120
carrier strike group you're looking at a

2652
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:08,000
at a potential

2653
01:33:11,590 --> 01:33:10,080
nuclear footprint that is that is very

2654
01:33:13,030 --> 01:33:11,600
considerable you're looking at

2655
01:33:14,629 --> 01:33:13,040
a first of all you're looking at

2656
01:33:16,950 --> 01:33:14,639
nuclear-powered aircraft

2657
01:33:19,030 --> 01:33:16,960
uh you're looking at uh potentially some

2658
01:33:20,310 --> 01:33:19,040
nuclear-powered uh vessels that are also

2659
01:33:22,149 --> 01:33:20,320
uh supporting

2660
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:22,159
and escorting the uh the aircraft

2661
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,600
carrier you're looking at nuclear

2662
01:33:28,070 --> 01:33:26,159
capable submarines uh that are not just

2663
01:33:28,470 --> 01:33:28,080
nuclear power but in some cases may have

2664
01:33:32,870 --> 01:33:28,480
uh

2665
01:33:34,790 --> 01:33:32,880
you look at that in total

2666
01:33:36,870 --> 01:33:34,800
you you know you that's a pretty

2667
01:33:39,270 --> 01:33:36,880
significant nuclear footprint

2668
01:33:40,950 --> 01:33:39,280
all concentrated in a very small tight

2669
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:40,960
geographic area

2670
01:33:44,229 --> 01:33:42,880
and it's something that we have we have

2671
01:33:45,910 --> 01:33:44,239
considered

2672
01:33:47,510 --> 01:33:45,920
before and we continue to see that

2673
01:33:49,990 --> 01:33:47,520
pattern over and over again but

2674
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:50,000
as far as operation wigwam i wasn't

2675
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:53,360
familiar was that back in the 1950s

2676
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:56,400
yes it was actually almost 66 years to

2677
01:34:00,470 --> 01:33:57,120
the day

2678
01:34:03,189 --> 01:34:00,480
may 14th 1955.

2679
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:03,199
that makes sense interesting well i'll

2680
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:04,159
tell you what uh

2681
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,840
you always learn something new and i'm

2682
01:34:09,270 --> 01:34:07,360
gonna if you don't mind whatever

2683
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:09,280
information you're willing to send

2684
01:34:13,350 --> 01:34:11,600
uh would be the most appreciated i'm

2685
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,360
gonna i'm gonna look at that too that's

2686
01:34:17,669 --> 01:34:15,040
uh that's really neat thank you for

2687
01:34:19,990 --> 01:34:17,679
sharing that's that's that's fascinating

2688
01:34:21,350 --> 01:34:20,000
yeah you bet just very quickly you know

2689
01:34:24,070 --> 01:34:21,360
this may you know

2690
01:34:24,870 --> 01:34:24,080
this may be a clue to the vulnerability

2691
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:24,880
of these

2692
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,440
these unknowns is that you know if

2693
01:34:29,430 --> 01:34:29,120
they're running along with some kind of

2694
01:34:33,189 --> 01:34:29,440
an

2695
01:34:36,310 --> 01:34:33,199
control

2696
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:36,320
you know a nuclear generated

2697
01:34:40,950 --> 01:34:39,440
electromagnetic pulse may interrupt

2698
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:40,960
their control and thrust

2699
01:34:44,390 --> 01:34:42,239
and you can imagine if you're going

2700
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:44,400
along in a bubble of your own gravity

2701
01:34:48,229 --> 01:34:45,840
and something interrupts it you could

2702
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:48,239
end up like a bug on a windshield

2703
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:51,280
certainly certainly what is being looked

2704
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,320
at right now

2705
01:34:56,310 --> 01:34:55,119
um i i'll be careful not to pontificate

2706
01:34:59,189 --> 01:34:56,320
too much but

2707
01:34:59,990 --> 01:34:59,199
uh there is definitely some some

2708
01:35:03,109 --> 01:35:00,000
speculation

2709
01:35:04,870 --> 01:35:03,119
that um any any if

2710
01:35:06,310 --> 01:35:04,880
if that is what is being used that

2711
01:35:09,030 --> 01:35:06,320
perhaps uh an

2712
01:35:09,430 --> 01:35:09,040
emp may be able to interfere with that

2713
01:35:11,189 --> 01:35:09,440
uh

2714
01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,199
with that technology um that's something

2715
01:35:16,070 --> 01:35:13,520
that i think is during the achilles heel

2716
01:35:17,910 --> 01:35:16,080
and and just quickly i'll close because

2717
01:35:21,030 --> 01:35:17,920
you know commander fraber said as

2718
01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:21,040
soon as they painted that object the tic

2719
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,560
tac with his radar

2720
01:35:26,550 --> 01:35:24,719
it started jamming their radar he said

2721
01:35:29,189 --> 01:35:26,560
in every way you can

2722
01:35:29,590 --> 01:35:29,199
and then kevin day said at one time it

2723
01:35:32,470 --> 01:35:29,600
was

2724
01:35:33,350 --> 01:35:32,480
raining ufos which is classic radar

2725
01:35:35,270 --> 01:35:33,360
jamming so

2726
01:35:36,950 --> 01:35:35,280
they are very very concerned when they

2727
01:35:37,910 --> 01:35:36,960
get painted with radar because they know

2728
01:35:41,270 --> 01:35:37,920
we've got nuclear

2729
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:41,280
devices yeah yeah very interesting

2730
01:35:44,950 --> 01:35:43,280
and uh rob thank you for sharing again

2731
01:35:49,270 --> 01:35:44,960
that was

2732
01:35:51,510 --> 01:35:49,280
very insightful yeah rob

2733
01:35:53,109 --> 01:35:51,520
thanks for the call yeah that was it

2734
01:35:55,510 --> 01:35:53,119
we're getting some good questions

2735
01:35:57,189 --> 01:35:55,520
and uh again the lines are all the way

2736
01:35:59,910 --> 01:35:57,199
full we have drew

2737
01:36:02,550 --> 01:35:59,920
uh from texas next welcome to the show

2738
01:36:08,149 --> 01:36:06,550
uh hi there

2739
01:36:10,709 --> 01:36:08,159
hey lou uh thanks for everything you're

2740
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,719
doing and martin uh

2741
01:36:15,109 --> 01:36:12,880
great job on the show thanks for calling

2742
01:36:17,189 --> 01:36:15,119
andrew

2743
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:17,199
yeah i just had an easy question for lou

2744
01:36:22,790 --> 01:36:18,960
i was just curious i

2745
01:36:24,550 --> 01:36:22,800
i've noticed that uh you've had a

2746
01:36:26,229 --> 01:36:24,560
quite a bit of an uptick lately in

2747
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:26,239
interviews and i was curious what that

2748
01:36:31,189 --> 01:36:28,639
was about

2749
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:31,199
well it's i'm not filming for tv shows

2750
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,800
and i have more time to commit to

2751
01:36:36,550 --> 01:36:34,800
to the public public there's i've always

2752
01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:36,560
talked about the five pillars

2753
01:36:41,830 --> 01:36:40,000
of our uh of our emphasis and the first

2754
01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:41,840
is our legislative engagement the second

2755
01:36:44,229 --> 01:36:42,560
is our

2756
01:36:45,910 --> 01:36:44,239
uh executive level engagement working

2757
01:36:48,790 --> 01:36:45,920
with the government the the third

2758
01:36:50,310 --> 01:36:48,800
is uh engaging our foreign counterparts

2759
01:36:52,310 --> 01:36:50,320
and allies and friends

2760
01:36:53,910 --> 01:36:52,320
international engagement uh the fourth

2761
01:36:54,629 --> 01:36:53,920
pillar is engaging the media and the

2762
01:36:56,870 --> 01:36:54,639
fifth

2763
01:36:58,629 --> 01:36:56,880
is public engagement but it is actually

2764
01:36:59,510 --> 01:36:58,639
public engagement that may be the most

2765
01:37:01,990 --> 01:36:59,520
important of all

2766
01:37:03,430 --> 01:37:02,000
because let's face it uh elected

2767
01:37:06,149 --> 01:37:03,440
officials the legislators

2768
01:37:07,669 --> 01:37:06,159
will respond to the american people the

2769
01:37:09,510 --> 01:37:07,679
executive branch will respond to

2770
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:09,520
complaints by the american people

2771
01:37:15,590 --> 01:37:13,040
uh the media will respond to um

2772
01:37:16,470 --> 01:37:15,600
viewers uh by the american people right

2773
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:16,480
audienceship

2774
01:37:19,990 --> 01:37:19,199
and and uh look watch eyeballs on tv

2775
01:37:21,830 --> 01:37:20,000
sets

2776
01:37:24,149 --> 01:37:21,840
uh looking at the news and last but not

2777
01:37:27,189 --> 01:37:24,159
least uh the american people

2778
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:27,199
uh at least from this perspective are

2779
01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,880
really probably the most fundamentally

2780
01:37:33,109 --> 01:37:29,920
important because

2781
01:37:34,149 --> 01:37:33,119
really this conversation belongs belongs

2782
01:37:38,070 --> 01:37:34,159
to you

2783
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:38,080
um and from from from my perspective

2784
01:37:41,350 --> 01:37:39,920
this is fundamentally probably the most

2785
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:41,360
important

2786
01:37:47,270 --> 01:37:45,040
way to to for disclosure to happen

2787
01:37:48,790 --> 01:37:47,280
um it's a very delicate dance and you

2788
01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:48,800
can't get ahead of your headlights you

2789
01:37:52,870 --> 01:37:49,360
can't

2790
01:37:54,310 --> 01:37:52,880
far ahead that the executive branch has

2791
01:37:56,229 --> 01:37:54,320
no idea what's going on

2792
01:37:59,030 --> 01:37:56,239
and vice versa and the media has to be

2793
01:38:00,550 --> 01:37:59,040
willing to to talk about this and not

2794
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:00,560
feel that they're going to get pounded

2795
01:38:02,790 --> 01:38:02,080
by viewers and saying oh what the heck

2796
01:38:05,910 --> 01:38:02,800
are you doing

2797
01:38:09,350 --> 01:38:05,920
reporting on this nonsense uh and and

2798
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:09,360
you need the the the public to say it's

2799
01:38:12,070 --> 01:38:10,080
okay

2800
01:38:14,390 --> 01:38:12,080
for all of them to to look at this and

2801
01:38:16,149 --> 01:38:14,400
so i think this is why it's so vital

2802
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,159
this is why you see an uptick

2803
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,960
and by the way good observation because

2804
01:38:22,470 --> 01:38:21,280
it's necessary because the other efforts

2805
01:38:25,109 --> 01:38:22,480
of emphasis

2806
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:25,119
won't happen unless the american people

2807
01:38:29,669 --> 01:38:26,960
say it's okay for it to happen

2808
01:38:30,550 --> 01:38:29,679
and so this is why this is why having

2809
01:38:32,950 --> 01:38:30,560
martin and

2810
01:38:34,070 --> 01:38:32,960
folks like you have this conversation

2811
01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:34,080
collectively

2812
01:38:38,070 --> 01:38:36,000
this is where where where the work gets

2813
01:38:39,669 --> 01:38:38,080
done this is where where real meaningful

2814
01:38:42,870 --> 01:38:39,679
conversation happens

2815
01:38:44,870 --> 01:38:42,880
in my opinion thank you

2816
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,880
thank you very much uh one more question

2817
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:47,280
that ties into that uh

2818
01:38:50,470 --> 01:38:49,600
so i've watched most of your interview

2819
01:38:53,750 --> 01:38:50,480
interviews

2820
01:38:55,669 --> 01:38:53,760
and listened to them uh you said in one

2821
01:38:59,189 --> 01:38:55,679
of your recent interviews to

2822
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,199
pay close attention in the month of may

2823
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:01,520
and i was just curious if your uptick in

2824
01:39:06,070 --> 01:39:02,960
interviews

2825
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:06,080
was uh related that or is it because of

2826
01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:07,440
the

2827
01:39:14,310 --> 01:39:11,440
going to

2828
01:39:15,750 --> 01:39:14,320
just really comment from that uh i i

2829
01:39:18,229 --> 01:39:15,760
think you're going to see

2830
01:39:20,390 --> 01:39:18,239
an elevation and an escalation of

2831
01:39:23,270 --> 01:39:20,400
mainstream reporting on this topic

2832
01:39:25,270 --> 01:39:23,280
um outlets that have typically or

2833
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:25,280
historically stayed away from this topic

2834
01:39:30,229 --> 01:39:26,480
are beginning

2835
01:39:31,750 --> 01:39:30,239
to to have this discussion

2836
01:39:33,590 --> 01:39:31,760
with their audience and their viewers

2837
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:33,600
and that's a that's an indicator

2838
01:39:36,790 --> 01:39:35,119
that's an indicator that the tide is

2839
01:39:39,109 --> 01:39:36,800
changing that that

2840
01:39:40,550 --> 01:39:39,119
it is it is becoming easier to have this

2841
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:40,560
conversation

2842
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,760
you have now senior academics and senior

2843
01:39:47,270 --> 01:39:45,520
scientists coming out of the shadows and

2844
01:39:48,470 --> 01:39:47,280
saying you know what

2845
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:48,480
yeah we should be studying this we

2846
01:39:51,750 --> 01:39:49,920
should be looking at this i never wanted

2847
01:39:54,390 --> 01:39:51,760
to say anything before but but now i

2848
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:54,400
have the courage to say something uh

2849
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:57,440
i think this

2850
01:40:03,350 --> 01:40:00,960
pivotal for this conversation

2851
01:40:04,950 --> 01:40:03,360
uh i think it's going to become easier

2852
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:04,960
to to talk about

2853
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:08,400
in the coming months especially before

2854
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:09,360
the

2855
01:40:17,109 --> 01:40:15,520
and uh i i think that's all i'll say

2856
01:40:19,510 --> 01:40:17,119
right now about it because i

2857
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:19,520
i have to be careful not to to let too

2858
01:40:22,470 --> 01:40:20,239
much out

2859
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:22,480
um only because you know things things

2860
01:40:25,669 --> 01:40:24,080
have to play out naturally and i don't

2861
01:40:29,109 --> 01:40:25,679
want to

2862
01:40:30,629 --> 01:40:29,119
anything prematurely but there's there's

2863
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,639
a lot happening behind the scenes and if

2864
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:32,639
there's one thing people have noticed

2865
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:35,920
it's all terribly orchestrated well it's

2866
01:40:38,229 --> 01:40:36,480
it's it

2867
01:40:39,590 --> 01:40:38,239
i would say orchestrators it's certainly

2868
01:40:41,990 --> 01:40:39,600
being coordinated

2869
01:40:44,149 --> 01:40:42,000
uh because again what we don't want to

2870
01:40:46,390 --> 01:40:44,159
do is get to a point where

2871
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,400
um the legislative branch or the

2872
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:48,320
executive branch or international

2873
01:40:51,990 --> 01:40:49,520
partners or anybody is

2874
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:52,000
is necessarily ahead of anybody else

2875
01:40:55,590 --> 01:40:53,600
this is a gradual conversation we need

2876
01:40:58,550 --> 01:40:55,600
to bring everybody up incrementally

2877
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:58,560
uh to have this conversation and so it

2878
01:41:07,510 --> 01:40:58,880
is

2879
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:07,520
um and you know it's it's a tough topic

2880
01:41:10,470 --> 01:41:08,639
it's it's

2881
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:10,480
we've you know we really haven't done

2882
01:41:13,750 --> 01:41:11,760
this before like this

2883
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:13,760
uh we've we've done it before in other

2884
01:41:17,430 --> 01:41:15,280
ways and arguably

2885
01:41:19,430 --> 01:41:17,440
may not have been quite as successful

2886
01:41:22,390 --> 01:41:19,440
but i think

2887
01:41:23,910 --> 01:41:22,400
you know i think i think we need to to

2888
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,920
continue doing what we're doing and the

2889
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:24,880
way we're doing it

2890
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,880
it seems to be it seems to be working it

2891
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,639
seems to be effective

2892
01:41:32,629 --> 01:41:30,560
we want to make sure that we get as many

2893
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:32,639
callers in as we can so i dropped the

2894
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:33,119
number

2895
01:41:36,629 --> 01:41:35,360
um up on the board and we have five

2896
01:41:37,990 --> 01:41:36,639
stacked up waiting

2897
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:38,000
so we're going to try to get through but

2898
01:41:40,629 --> 01:41:39,760
i just wanted to say that uh if you

2899
01:41:42,790 --> 01:41:40,639
wanted to pass

2900
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:42,800
information along to me i'm going to put

2901
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:43,840
um up

2902
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:47,280
um you'll see this in the chat is

2903
01:41:54,550 --> 01:41:51,520
the um email address for myself

2904
01:41:57,350 --> 01:41:54,560
martin podcast ufo.com and

2905
01:41:59,109 --> 01:41:57,360
uh luis alozondo i'm going to spell that

2906
01:42:02,390 --> 01:41:59,119
is

2907
01:42:06,070 --> 01:42:02,400
e l-u-i-s-e-e l z i z

2908
01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:06,080
o n d o hyphen official dot com

2909
01:42:10,470 --> 01:42:09,040
that is uh that's lou's website so

2910
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:10,480
you're welcome to use that

2911
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:12,960
we have joe uh on the line from michigan

2912
01:42:21,109 --> 01:42:19,189
yes hi martin uh lou i have a question

2913
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:21,119
i have a question for you lou um i've

2914
01:42:25,270 --> 01:42:22,800
been studying this topic for

2915
01:42:27,189 --> 01:42:25,280
close to six decades and the one

2916
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:27,199
incident that really moved me more than

2917
01:42:31,030 --> 01:42:28,320
anything else

2918
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:31,040
uh as an aerial school encounter and i'd

2919
01:42:35,590 --> 01:42:32,719
like to hear what you have to

2920
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:35,600
say about that lou if you would please

2921
01:42:40,229 --> 01:42:37,760
yeah i mean that's something i think

2922
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:40,239
james fox did a really fine job uh

2923
01:42:44,070 --> 01:42:41,520
presenting the facts

2924
01:42:46,070 --> 01:42:44,080
involving the aerial school uh what most

2925
01:42:49,109 --> 01:42:46,080
people may not know is that there was

2926
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:49,119
a uranium mine nearby um

2927
01:42:55,109 --> 01:42:52,960
coincidence wow i don't know uh

2928
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:55,119
but you know for every one of those uh

2929
01:42:57,669 --> 01:42:56,000
incidents that have been

2930
01:42:59,270 --> 01:42:57,679
reported there are some equally

2931
01:43:00,070 --> 01:42:59,280
compelling incidents that remain below

2932
01:43:01,510 --> 01:43:00,080
the radar

2933
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:01,520
that have occurred but nobody's really

2934
01:43:05,669 --> 01:43:04,239
wanted to talk about and i think as we

2935
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,679
continue to have this conversation more

2936
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:07,119
these incidents are going to be become

2937
01:43:11,030 --> 01:43:07,920
publicized

2938
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,040
and and well known um i think what makes

2939
01:43:14,149 --> 01:43:13,119
this this incident so interesting is

2940
01:43:17,350 --> 01:43:14,159
that you have

2941
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:17,360
uh a lot of eyewitnesses um and and just

2942
01:43:20,390 --> 01:43:18,800
like the scene of an accident the more

2943
01:43:21,910 --> 01:43:20,400
eyewitnesses you have the

2944
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:21,920
better it is to figure out what what

2945
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:24,239
happened how was the accident cost

2946
01:43:30,790 --> 01:43:27,520
and you also had kids who

2947
01:43:32,550 --> 01:43:30,800
don't really have the sophistication to

2948
01:43:34,229 --> 01:43:32,560
to you know when you when you are doing

2949
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:34,239
an investigation uh

2950
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,639
kids can tell you stories but for all

2951
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:38,800
the kids to have a consistent story

2952
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:42,000
uh even when you separate them by space

2953
01:43:45,270 --> 01:43:43,440
and time

2954
01:43:46,950 --> 01:43:45,280
and they still remain consistent with

2955
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:46,960
each other and they're not talking to

2956
01:43:49,109 --> 01:43:47,760
each other

2957
01:43:51,030 --> 01:43:49,119
uh you know that's that's pretty

2958
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:51,040
compelling you know now you're talking

2959
01:43:53,910 --> 01:43:52,080
about something that

2960
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,920
that was experienced by multiple people

2961
01:43:57,510 --> 01:43:55,760
that that was perceived as being

2962
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:57,520
actually a real event

2963
01:44:01,109 --> 01:43:59,600
and because of that we have to take it

2964
01:44:04,149 --> 01:44:01,119
very very seriously

2965
01:44:06,070 --> 01:44:04,159
um you know again

2966
01:44:07,669 --> 01:44:06,080
kids are people and and they're prone to

2967
01:44:09,350 --> 01:44:07,679
fabricate uh that's

2968
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:09,360
that's you know normal kids tell fib

2969
01:44:13,830 --> 01:44:10,800
sometimes uh

2970
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:13,840
but all the kids don't tell the same fit

2971
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:16,560
uh that's that's that's very unusual and

2972
01:44:19,830 --> 01:44:17,679
that's why i think

2973
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:19,840
it's so compelling you also had adults

2974
01:44:23,350 --> 01:44:21,199
and and teachers

2975
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:23,360
uh that were also privy to to this

2976
01:44:26,629 --> 01:44:24,320
incident so i

2977
01:44:27,430 --> 01:44:26,639
you know i do think it's significant um

2978
01:44:29,189 --> 01:44:27,440
it is a

2979
01:44:30,790 --> 01:44:29,199
it's an incident that did not involve

2980
01:44:34,229 --> 01:44:30,800
the u.s military

2981
01:44:35,990 --> 01:44:34,239
so uh we in atip didn't really look at

2982
01:44:38,629 --> 01:44:36,000
it as comprehensively per se

2983
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:38,639
as other things we were dealing with but

2984
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:41,199
it is certainly very very interesting

2985
01:44:45,270 --> 01:44:43,760
yes thank you very much for that and i i

2986
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:45,280
do agree with you joe and

2987
01:44:49,750 --> 01:44:48,000
also uh randall nickerson's film the

2988
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,760
aerial phenomenon

2989
01:44:53,109 --> 01:44:51,920
should be coming out i keep trying to

2990
01:44:54,470 --> 01:44:53,119
reach out to him to try to figure out

2991
01:44:56,149 --> 01:44:54,480
when that date but when it comes out

2992
01:44:57,030 --> 01:44:56,159
it's going to be fantastic i will tell

2993
01:44:59,430 --> 01:44:57,040
you that

2994
01:45:01,990 --> 01:44:59,440
uh julie is next from alabama welcome to

2995
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:02,000
the show julie

2996
01:45:08,870 --> 01:45:05,600
hi hello how are you martin

2997
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:08,880
i'm doing well thank you for calling in

2998
01:45:15,990 --> 01:45:11,760
you have a question for our guest

2999
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:16,000
i do lou this is jewels of the wood from

3000
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:17,760
ufo twitter first off

3001
01:45:24,310 --> 01:45:21,040
and i'm wondering

3002
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,320
what kind of data might noah have

3003
01:45:27,590 --> 01:45:26,400
considering their broad collection

3004
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:27,600
abilities

3005
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:31,280
and are they foiable yeah noah is is

3006
01:45:35,109 --> 01:45:32,719
intriguing

3007
01:45:36,950 --> 01:45:35,119
that's exactly what what we're trying to

3008
01:45:38,550 --> 01:45:36,960
do in creating a construct where we

3009
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:38,560
bring everybody under the tent

3010
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,000
you know noaa has some of the most

3011
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:42,080
sophisticated doppler weather radar

3012
01:45:46,790 --> 01:45:42,800
available

3013
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:46,800
uh they are they it is extremely precise

3014
01:45:49,750 --> 01:45:47,360
and this

3015
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:49,760
and it's very pervasive uh across the

3016
01:45:53,590 --> 01:45:51,679
country um

3017
01:45:55,510 --> 01:45:53,600
you know they have a very good

3018
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:55,520
comprehensive integrated network

3019
01:45:59,510 --> 01:45:58,719
of of radar capability um and and noaa

3020
01:46:01,590 --> 01:45:59,520
has

3021
01:46:03,590 --> 01:46:01,600
capabilities everything from space-based

3022
01:46:06,709 --> 01:46:03,600
platforms all the way to ground space

3023
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:06,719
platforms to to uh

3024
01:46:11,590 --> 01:46:09,440
water-based platforms so they they

3025
01:46:14,310 --> 01:46:11,600
really do have an incredible

3026
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,320
array or if you will suite of technology

3027
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,480
that that can be applied towards this

3028
01:46:20,310 --> 01:46:18,719
topic and that is absolutely one of the

3029
01:46:22,790 --> 01:46:20,320
areas that we're trying to

3030
01:46:23,830 --> 01:46:22,800
to to engage it's getting noah and

3031
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:23,840
others um

3032
01:46:27,669 --> 01:46:27,119
faa as well uh under under the under the

3033
01:46:30,390 --> 01:46:27,679
tent

3034
01:46:32,070 --> 01:46:30,400
um in this in this greater construct so

3035
01:46:34,470 --> 01:46:32,080
i i've made no secret that i

3036
01:46:36,870 --> 01:46:34,480
i don't i don't agree with the with the

3037
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,880
permanent solution being a task force

3038
01:46:40,709 --> 01:46:38,480
uh i think we need a more enduring

3039
01:46:42,149 --> 01:46:40,719
capability long-term capability to look

3040
01:46:43,910 --> 01:46:42,159
at this topic and it needs to include

3041
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,920
more than just dod and intelligence

3042
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:45,119
equities

3043
01:46:47,990 --> 01:46:46,639
it needs to be a whole of government

3044
01:46:49,669 --> 01:46:48,000
approach i would include the national

3045
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:49,679
science foundation i would include noaa

3046
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:52,080
and faa and department of energy and

3047
01:46:56,149 --> 01:46:53,920
everybody everybody that we can we can

3048
01:46:58,629 --> 01:46:56,159
put under there uh even osha

3049
01:47:00,310 --> 01:46:58,639
uh so i would there's a lot of a lot of

3050
01:47:03,430 --> 01:47:00,320
folks there that i think that could be

3051
01:47:06,310 --> 01:47:03,440
can be part of that um effort and uh

3052
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:06,320
those efforts you know i think the more

3053
01:47:11,590 --> 01:47:08,880
eyes you have looking at a problem

3054
01:47:12,790 --> 01:47:11,600
the more likely you are to to find some

3055
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:12,800
solutions joules

3056
01:47:17,189 --> 01:47:15,600
in um in that data i'm trying to move

3057
01:47:19,270 --> 01:47:17,199
everyone along thank you very much

3058
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,280
for the question uh i really appreciate

3059
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,960
it julie we have joanie

3060
01:47:25,430 --> 01:47:23,360
from pennsylvania on the line welcome to

3061
01:47:28,870 --> 01:47:25,440
the show joni

3062
01:47:31,189 --> 01:47:28,880
hi hi i have a question what do you

3063
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:31,199
think about the 1965

3064
01:47:38,870 --> 01:47:37,830
well i'm gonna say something that is

3065
01:47:41,109 --> 01:47:38,880
probably gonna

3066
01:47:42,390 --> 01:47:41,119
offend you ma'am but i i'm not familiar

3067
01:47:44,310 --> 01:47:42,400
with that incident now

3068
01:47:45,510 --> 01:47:44,320
i may be familiar anecdotally with it

3069
01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,520
but i'm not

3070
01:47:49,430 --> 01:47:47,840
i'm not at all familiar with the details

3071
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:49,440
of it i certainly wouldn't want to speak

3072
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,000
about something

3073
01:47:53,430 --> 01:47:52,719
that i that i have no idea about uh i'm

3074
01:47:54,790 --> 01:47:53,440
not

3075
01:47:56,790 --> 01:47:54,800
i wouldn't even know where to begin i'm

3076
01:47:58,709 --> 01:47:56,800
not qualified uh do you want to be more

3077
01:48:00,390 --> 01:47:58,719
specific perhaps maybe i can

3078
01:48:02,149 --> 01:48:00,400
maybe i can address something specific

3079
01:48:05,350 --> 01:48:02,159
regarding that it's

3080
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,360
it's complicated um i think we're gonna

3081
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,960
have to move on i'm sorry we're just

3082
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,400
gonna have to move on just because we're

3083
01:48:12,709 --> 01:48:11,119
we're really running short on on time

3084
01:48:14,229 --> 01:48:12,719
and he's not familiar with it but i do

3085
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:14,239
appreciate the call i'm sorry

3086
01:48:17,990 --> 01:48:16,400
but we're gonna move on to uh the next

3087
01:48:21,990 --> 01:48:18,000
one which is john

3088
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,000
in los angeles welcome to the show john

3089
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:24,719
thank you martin and uh thank you for

3090
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,360
having

3091
01:48:30,149 --> 01:48:28,239
mr elizondo on i just wanted to thank uh

3092
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:30,159
thank you lou for your hard work in this

3093
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,199
field i've been

3094
01:48:34,709 --> 01:48:34,080
following this field since the 60s and

3095
01:48:36,629 --> 01:48:34,719
uh

3096
01:48:38,070 --> 01:48:36,639
it's so refreshing to see somebody with

3097
01:48:40,310 --> 01:48:38,080
your motivation

3098
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:40,320
skills intelligence and and also with

3099
01:48:45,350 --> 01:48:42,560
your with your partner chris mellon

3100
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,360
uh fight to have this uh issue john i

3101
01:48:48,790 --> 01:48:46,960
hate to argue with you but if you were

3102
01:48:49,270 --> 01:48:48,800
to ask my wife and kids i would probably

3103
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:49,280
argue

3104
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:53,199
about my intelligence and my my

3105
01:48:56,470 --> 01:48:55,040
skill in this but i do appreciate the

3106
01:48:57,669 --> 01:48:56,480
compliment thank you even though it's

3107
01:48:58,709 --> 01:48:57,679
undeserving but thank you for the

3108
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,719
compliment

3109
01:49:02,790 --> 01:49:01,360
no well no seriously but thanks to you

3110
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:02,800
my wife doesn't look at me like i'm

3111
01:49:06,790 --> 01:49:04,560
crazy when i say these things are real

3112
01:49:09,910 --> 01:49:06,800
flying around our uh

3113
01:49:12,229 --> 01:49:09,920
navy uh jets and everything but uh

3114
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,239
uh i wanted to ask you and if you can't

3115
01:49:15,589 --> 01:49:14,159
say i understand but um

3116
01:49:18,310 --> 01:49:15,599
you know the navy's been pretty

3117
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,320
forthright in coming forward with videos

3118
01:49:22,229 --> 01:49:20,320
and pilot testimony

3119
01:49:23,830 --> 01:49:22,239
and i always wonder why the air force is

3120
01:49:25,669 --> 01:49:23,840
so silent on this issue i

3121
01:49:27,589 --> 01:49:25,679
i you've probably probably been asked

3122
01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:27,599
this before but it seems like the air

3123
01:49:30,950 --> 01:49:28,560
force

3124
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:30,960
is pretty quiet about everything that's

3125
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:32,159
going on out there and they're

3126
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,760
they're in charge of our skies and our

3127
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:35,760
national security do you have any

3128
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:37,679
you know opinion or that you can share

3129
01:49:41,109 --> 01:49:38,960
without you know obviously

3130
01:49:42,229 --> 01:49:41,119
breaking your nba yeah i mean the air

3131
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,239
force is a fantastic

3132
01:49:46,390 --> 01:49:44,560
service uh they do an incredible job

3133
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:46,400
protecting and guarding our skies

3134
01:49:49,589 --> 01:49:47,760
let's not forget though that they were

3135
01:49:51,990 --> 01:49:49,599
in charge of project blue book

3136
01:49:53,030 --> 01:49:52,000
uh and there was a lot of pressure there

3137
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,040
to to

3138
01:49:56,709 --> 01:49:55,280
to close that effort out uh and and to

3139
01:49:57,430 --> 01:49:56,719
move on you know nothing to see here

3140
01:49:59,030 --> 01:49:57,440
folks

3141
01:50:00,790 --> 01:49:59,040
and item not even sure that came from

3142
01:50:01,270 --> 01:50:00,800
air force brass i think that probably

3143
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,280
came

3144
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:03,360
from from much higher up there was

3145
01:50:08,470 --> 01:50:05,920
probably a lot of political pressure to

3146
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:08,480
to uh to close that close out that

3147
01:50:10,709 --> 01:50:09,040
effort

3148
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,719
and in doing so when you make a public

3149
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,080
statement that says hey

3150
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:15,280
these things aren't aren't a concern uh

3151
01:50:19,109 --> 01:50:17,920
they're not really a real issue it's

3152
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:19,119
hard to go back

3153
01:50:23,189 --> 01:50:20,880
on that statement like that and come

3154
01:50:25,669 --> 01:50:23,199
back and say uh actually

3155
01:50:27,430 --> 01:50:25,679
we were wrong uh now i will tell you

3156
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:27,440
that that

3157
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:28,719
you know this is not your father's

3158
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:31,119
oldsmobile today today's air force is

3159
01:50:34,709 --> 01:50:33,280
not yesterday's air force uh they are

3160
01:50:35,589 --> 01:50:34,719
highly competent and they've always been

3161
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:35,599
competent

3162
01:50:40,310 --> 01:50:38,800
but they they are true true experts and

3163
01:50:41,750 --> 01:50:40,320
professionals and i've had the honor and

3164
01:50:42,870 --> 01:50:41,760
privilege to work with them many of them

3165
01:50:46,070 --> 01:50:42,880
side by side

3166
01:50:48,229 --> 01:50:46,080
both in operations and investigations uh

3167
01:50:50,950 --> 01:50:48,239
and i think there is a recognition that

3168
01:50:52,629 --> 01:50:50,960
this is an important topic and issue

3169
01:50:54,950 --> 01:50:52,639
the problem is right now is that that oh

3170
01:50:57,189 --> 01:50:54,960
it's not a problem that the

3171
01:50:57,990 --> 01:50:57,199
the fact is that the navy's is in charge

3172
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,000
of this

3173
01:51:02,629 --> 01:51:00,639
is running the task force right now and

3174
01:51:04,709 --> 01:51:02,639
this is again where chris mellon and i

3175
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:04,719
believe that this task force shouldn't

3176
01:51:08,470 --> 01:51:07,199
be under a navy construct they're very

3177
01:51:11,589 --> 01:51:08,480
competent they're very good but

3178
01:51:14,229 --> 01:51:11,599
this isn't necessarily only a navy issue

3179
01:51:17,030 --> 01:51:14,239
um and and this is why we think there

3180
01:51:19,750 --> 01:51:17,040
needs to be a more enduring construct

3181
01:51:20,070 --> 01:51:19,760
that includes the whole of government uh

3182
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:20,080
to

3183
01:51:25,109 --> 01:51:23,599
force and yes that includes space force

3184
01:51:27,030 --> 01:51:25,119
and yes that includes coast guard

3185
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:27,040
and navy and army because army's seeing

3186
01:51:30,310 --> 01:51:28,320
these things as well

3187
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,320
uh we know that for a fact you know so

3188
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:31,840
why aren't they part of this

3189
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:34,400
so i think i think you're going to see

3190
01:51:38,229 --> 01:51:35,360
that shift

3191
01:51:38,629 --> 01:51:38,239
beginning to occur you're going to see a

3192
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:38,639
a

3193
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:44,800
little bit more

3194
01:51:50,550 --> 01:51:48,400
comprehensive and robust

3195
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,560
thank you sir i really appreciate your

3196
01:51:55,510 --> 01:51:52,560
time and thank you for uh for

3197
01:51:56,070 --> 01:51:55,520
fighting to do for for what you're doing

3198
01:51:59,669 --> 01:51:56,080
well i

3199
01:52:02,390 --> 01:51:59,679
i i appreciate you thank you

3200
01:52:03,750 --> 01:52:02,400
thanks for the call very much so i'm not

3201
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:03,760
going to take any more calls and i'm

3202
01:52:06,310 --> 01:52:05,760
sorry uh uh joe we couldn't take your

3203
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:06,320
call

3204
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,159
about we're right right at the end of

3205
01:52:11,189 --> 01:52:09,679
the show so

3206
01:52:13,350 --> 01:52:11,199
i guess i want to ask you one last

3207
01:52:15,350 --> 01:52:13,360
question what is the

3208
01:52:16,629 --> 01:52:15,360
the strongest message that you would

3209
01:52:19,910 --> 01:52:16,639
like to get

3210
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:19,920
out to people that are watching the show

3211
01:52:23,350 --> 01:52:22,560
wow martin uh and you only have one

3212
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:23,360
minute

3213
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:26,400
yeah i wish i'd prepared uh for that um

3214
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:28,800
have the courage to ask the questions be

3215
01:52:31,589 --> 01:52:30,320
fearless in asking the questions in the

3216
01:52:32,950 --> 01:52:31,599
pursuit of the truth

3217
01:52:34,310 --> 01:52:32,960
don't let anybody tell you that the

3218
01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:34,320
questions you're asking are dumb or

3219
01:52:37,350 --> 01:52:35,840
stupid or irrelevant

3220
01:52:39,030 --> 01:52:37,360
you have the courage and the commitment

3221
01:52:41,990 --> 01:52:39,040
to ask those questions

3222
01:52:43,030 --> 01:52:42,000
um have the courage to to put your

3223
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:43,040
government

3224
01:52:47,990 --> 01:52:46,080
uh on the spot have the courage to put

3225
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:48,000
me on the spot have the courage to

3226
01:52:53,589 --> 01:52:51,040
to ask the hard questions uh to anybody

3227
01:52:54,629 --> 01:52:53,599
who says are committed to this effort be

3228
01:52:57,990 --> 01:52:54,639
mindful

3229
01:53:00,629 --> 01:52:58,000
of of those of those uh individuals

3230
01:53:01,189 --> 01:53:00,639
that are are charlatans or selling you a

3231
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:01,199
narrative

3232
01:53:04,550 --> 01:53:02,880
um they probably don't have your best

3233
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,560
interest at heart uh

3234
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:07,040
and you know what have have the courage

3235
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:07,679
to

3236
01:53:14,310 --> 01:53:12,159
opinions uh it's okay uh

3237
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,320
it's it because none of us have yet all

3238
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:15,679
the answers

3239
01:53:18,709 --> 01:53:17,199
this is exactly why we're having this

3240
01:53:20,950 --> 01:53:18,719
conversation so

3241
01:53:22,709 --> 01:53:20,960
with that uh i guess my my final

3242
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:22,719
recommendation would be just

3243
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,719
overall have have the courage to pursue

3244
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:26,880
this topic in in any way you think you

3245
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:28,320
need to pursue it

3246
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,520
excellent um i thank you for all you do

3247
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,280
for your service and everything you've

3248
01:53:35,669 --> 01:53:35,199
done for the ufo community you've helped

3249
01:53:37,830 --> 01:53:35,679
us

3250
01:53:39,510 --> 01:53:37,840
move forward and i really appreciate it

3251
01:53:40,070 --> 01:53:39,520
thank you so much for giving us the time

3252
01:53:41,750 --> 01:53:40,080
tonight

3253
01:53:43,270 --> 01:53:41,760
martin my honor and privilege thank you

3254
01:53:44,709 --> 01:53:43,280
to you and your audience it's really

3255
01:53:45,430 --> 01:53:44,719
been a pleasure of mine thank you so

3256
01:53:47,430 --> 01:53:45,440
much

3257
01:53:50,070 --> 01:53:47,440
excellent all right you take care yes

3258
01:53:52,790 --> 01:53:50,080
sir we'll talk muskets again sometime

3259
01:53:54,470 --> 01:53:52,800
anytime all right take care yeah all

3260
01:53:56,550 --> 01:53:54,480
right everyone so that's it for the show

3261
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:56,560
this evening thank you thank you so much

3262
01:54:00,149 --> 01:53:57,599
uh next week

3263
01:54:01,750 --> 01:54:00,159
we have damian knott on um on our

3264
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:01,760
regular scheduled show

3265
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,960
so again i want to thank everyone for uh

3266
01:54:08,550 --> 01:54:07,119
tuning in watching on youtube and

3267
01:54:10,950 --> 01:54:08,560
whichever way you watch

3268
01:54:23,250 --> 01:54:10,960
and remember everyone to keep your eyes

3269
01:54:30,010 --> 01:54:23,260
to the sky